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Re: 1/16inch 1x19 chew outs [Re: 60inchsnare] #7125732
01/07/21 06:54 PM
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I had about 1 in 20 chew outs with 1/16 1x19. I used 8ft snares with regular torsion springs and Bridger Surehold locks (1/16 or 5/64) but death blow locks and Sennenker gear should do well. I think keys are non-springy tie-off and set high enough they won't get a leg in the loop. I set locks at 11 or 1 o'clock and hung a leaf or two to camo lock and spring. Best way I found to reduce refusals was to make snare loop wider than trail pass-through point (transplanting small plants if necessary) so animal sees loop bottom rather than a loop. I consider a loop size less than 13" as too small for coyote even though it will catch some.

Re: 1/16inch 1x19 chew outs [Re: 60inchsnare] #7125944
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Big loop will definitely help with refusals.
Senneker’s big springs work very well. It was designed in fairly open country and no entanglement is necessary.
If you decide to try rams,buy the wolfers,and if you have some snow you can lay them right on the ground.

Re: 1/16inch 1x19 chew outs [Re: 60inchsnare] #7125947
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Re: 1/16inch 1x19 chew outs [Re: 60inchsnare] #7125977
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I had 18% chew out losses with 1x19 1/16” snares. 60% dispatch rate which meant almost half my live coyotes were chewing out.

It’s no match for coyotes that don’t go down.

Re: 1/16inch 1x19 chew outs [Re: Boone Liane] #7126016
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Boone what is your go to snare then? I am considering getting a roll of 1x19 5/64 and making a few. I am running mostly 7 ft now. Might try some shorter snares on poles, that makes sense to me. I do know that it's really dark tonight so good luck to everyone!


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Re: 1/16inch 1x19 chew outs [Re: 60inchsnare] #7126131
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Boone, you using the old short spring? I had issues with those that were similar, but the new longer springs made all the difference for me..


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Re: 1/16inch 1x19 chew outs [Re: 60inchsnare] #7126139
01/07/21 10:36 PM
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It’s no match for coyotes that don’t go down.


Agreed 100%.

Without kill springs I would expect 90% live coyote in non-kill pole sets.

I never used kill poles but I would think to be effective they would require something on the kill poles to make coyote wrap-up with front feet off the ground. With wrap up on poles I would question the benefit of kill springs. As I see it coyote need to run and hit end of cable to compress kill springs (even partially compressed triggered springs), and they can't run much after wrap-up.

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Re: 1/16inch 1x19 chew outs [Re: 60inchsnare] #7126262
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I have been a 1x19 1/16 guy for a long time. I build my snares out of 13 feet of cable. My snare support and stake are one unit. I actually would rather my coyotes do not tangle up. If they hit the end hard they are DRT. I use the mini death blow locks and the Senneker style kill spring but do not use the trigger. I have had no chew outs for three years. Last year I had two twist outs in late January but both were recovered with a little bit of tracking. Lots of good points on here. I will add that with a long snare or a snare with an extension take the extra time to orient your spare cable on the ground so it runs out smoothly so a coyote can hit the end hard. If you spare cable hangs up in the brush you are loosing the advantage of a long snare.


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Re: 1/16inch 1x19 chew outs [Re: 60inchsnare] #7126296
01/08/21 12:11 AM
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Sounds to me like your using too short of a snare. Nine foot seems to be the minimum, ten foot is even better(with 50# spring of either type). It doesn't take long for a coyote to chew out of 1/16" cable, either 7x7 or 1x19. You might get away with it in some brush, where the animal has something else to take it's attention away from the cable or chew on, but in the grass/ open, if the spring doesn't put it down fast, chew out is a real possibility. It's a possibility with any size cable, but I always advise customers with 1/16" chew-outs to go to 5/64" 1x19 and a ten foot snare with a kill spring and toothed, Bridger Sure hold lock. I'm reluctant to recommend a snare longer than 10', for use in states that require break away devices, because the longer the snare the more likely to open the break away. You should consider, that if your using a 10' snare, when caught the coyote runs to the end of the snares length (10'), but when it runs the opposite direction it's got 20' of running room, and that's transferring a great deal of shock to your snare/B.A. Out in the open that is a real likely to happen, not so much in a brushy location. Kill poles and kill springs both seem redundant, but I could make a case for inline swivels, especially with 1x19 cable, and to save on cable for reuse, or in case an incidental deer wraps more than one leg in a snare.

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Re: 1/16inch 1x19 chew outs [Re: 60inchsnare] #7126997
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Originally Posted by 60inchsnare
Boone what is your go to snare then? I am considering getting a roll of 1x19 5/64 and making a few. I am running mostly 7 ft now. Might try some shorter snares on poles, that makes sense to me. I do know that it's really dark tonight so good luck to everyone!



My go to is a six foot 5/64 7x7 amberg or toothed cam lock and a #25 lb spring.

I run EVERYTHING on a 6-8 extension. Sometimes two or three of it gets me to a solid natural anchor.

Re: 1/16inch 1x19 chew outs [Re: lee steinmeyer] #7127000
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Originally Posted by lee steinmeyer
Boone, you using the old short spring? I had issues with those that were similar, but the new longer springs made all the difference for me..



I briefly used the longer ones before I #&$! canned the whole idea.

Short ones, long ones, name brand, off brand, tried em all.

I’ve settled on a 25# spring, no trigger as being overall most reliable.

Heavy furred, late season burred up coyotes are tough to take down.

Re: 1/16inch 1x19 chew outs [Re: 60inchsnare] #7127007
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I agree on the burrs. Just like having armor on! I hate cockelburrs and burdock, for all the reasons that may apply!


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Re: 1/16inch 1x19 chew outs [Re: 60inchsnare] #7127012
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Watching how easily my wife’s dog could chomp through a 3/8 lariat she was tied up with was an eye opener.

3/8 lariat rope is tough stuff and she got it back in those molars and was loose in three chomps.


I had chew out instances with 1/16” cable that if there hadn’t been snow to tell the story, and a touch of blood on the end of the cable, you’d have swore someone was stealing your stuff and owned a proper cable cutter.

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