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Re: Trapping illegal next year [Re: concrete man] #7128428
01/09/21 04:32 PM
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one more proposed law i will ignore if it passes. I just keep humming this song....





Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Trapping illegal next year [Re: concrete man] #7128432
01/09/21 04:39 PM
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Not saying it won’t happen in GA, but I guess I’d be an outlaw. That’s if they could get anyone to enforce it. Most GW and biologists I talk to are keen on trapping, especially for management purposes. They want quail, turkeys, and deer...that brings money into the State.

Re: Trapping illegal next year [Re: concrete man] #7128448
01/09/21 04:57 PM
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I believe control of fish and game is a states right unless endangered species and some international treaties(migratory birds). If so Feds would have tough time to enforce laws in rural states. Also there are 50 republican senators, 48 democratic senators and 2 left leaning independents. Just one of the left would have to vote with the right to defeat any legislation. I think they have more to worry about then game laws.


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Re: Trapping illegal next year [Re: concrete man] #7128456
01/09/21 05:14 PM
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States, for the most part, must follow and enforce Federal Wildlife Laws, Regulations, and guidelines. This H.R. 8828 ALSO involves Customs Laws.

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Re: Trapping illegal next year [Re: concrete man] #7128457
01/09/21 05:16 PM
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Idaho refused to enforce federal wolf laws. They didn't block federal agents just refused to have their agents participate.


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Re: Trapping illegal next year [Re: concrete man] #7128461
01/09/21 05:22 PM
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When the south secedes there will be plenty of hunting, fishing and trapping like it always has been.

grin

Re: Trapping illegal next year [Re: SundanceMtnMan] #7128463
01/09/21 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by SundanceMtnMan
Idaho refused to enforce federal wolf laws. They didn't block federal agents just refused to have their agents participate.


Apparently there is a season for them in Idaho : https://idfg.idaho.gov/sites/default/files/seasons-rules-big-game-2019-2020-wolf.pdf


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Re: Trapping illegal next year [Re: concrete man] #7128470
01/09/21 05:28 PM
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WY did the same thing with wolves. I don't know what the policy is today but for a long time they were on the predator list. No closed season, no limits , no license. Ranchers and others that practiced the three s's were left alone by state LE. Every year some communist introduces a trap ban in the federal congress. So far it has never even been voted on.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Trapping illegal next year [Re: concrete man] #7128474
01/09/21 05:31 PM
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Been saying this myself. All the paperwork for a systematic attack on our way of life is sitting ready to introduce. And if you haven't been paying attention, they don't care in the slightest what we think. Watching law abiding citizens be forced into being outlaws. I'm not stopping trapping.


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Re: Trapping illegal next year [Re: concrete man] #7128509
01/09/21 05:54 PM
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Yes a season now but this was when they were still on the endangered list. Idaho just refused to follow the Feds guidelines when we decided they had recovered. Wyoming stood even stronger they just ignored the Feds.


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Re: Trapping illegal next year [Re: concrete man] #7128516
01/09/21 06:06 PM
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Just like the natural world everything is directly tied together. It's hard to keep things isolated to two things when it's a chain reaction.

Seeming unrelated issues often have a direct impact on the things we care about.

I'm genuinely concerned for the first time in my life. Anything can be banned and made illegal and most things good and wholesome will no longer jus be under attack but be gone after with a scorched earth mentality. On the other hand debauchery and poor behavior will be not only tolerated but looked upon favorably.

I still can't wrap my my head around how selling a fur coat in California is illegal. I'm nor sure it is but seem to be something I picked up on reading here. I may have been wrong I'm my understanding of what I read.

I see crazy gun restrictions, attacks on fur/trapping, energy priced doubling at a minimum, and a lot of business closing or leaving the country just to name a few things.

I believe are in for some trying times for sure.

Re: Trapping illegal next year [Re: concrete man] #7128518
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Hunting is a Constitutional Right in many states.

Re: Trapping illegal next year [Re: KeithC] #7128522
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Originally Posted by KeithC
I don't think all trapping will be banned, but I think most of our common traps will be. The democrats, who now control the House, the Senate and the Presidency and who are planning to take control of the Supreme Court, by changing the number of justices, hate trapping for the most part. H.R. 8828 will likely pass soon, banning all leghold and body gripping traps.

"H. R. 8828

To restrict the use of steel-jaw leghold traps and Conibear traps on animals in the United States.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
December 2, 2020
Ms. Adams (for herself and Mrs. Lowey) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Energy and Commerce, and in addition to the Committees on Ways and Means, and Foreign Affairs, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned

A BILL
To restrict the use of steel-jaw leghold traps and Conibear traps on animals in the United States.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the “Public Safety and Wildlife Protection Act”.

SEC. 2. DECLARATION OF POLICY.

It is the policy of the United States to reduce risks to public safety, as well as unnecessary harm to companion animals and wildlife, from indiscriminate and injurious trapping methods by prohibiting the import or export of, and the shipment in interstate commerce of, steel-jaw leghold traps and Conibear traps.

SEC. 3. PROHIBITED ACTS AND PENALTIES.

(a) Prohibited Acts.—It shall be unlawful for any person—

(1) to import, export, deliver, carry, or transport by any means whatever, in interstate commerce, any steel-jaw leghold trap or Conibear trap; or

(2) to sell, receive, acquire, or purchase any steel-jaw leghold trap or Conibear trap that was delivered, carried, or transported in violation of paragraph (1).

(b) Penalties.—Whoever knowingly violates subsection (a) shall, in addition to any other penalty that may be imposed, be subject to the following:

(1) For the first such violation, a civil fine of not more than $500 imposed by the Secretary for each steel-jaw leghold trap or Conibear trap possessed.

(2) For each subsequent violation, a civil fine of not more than $1,000 imposed by the Secretary for each steel-jaw leghold trap or Conibear trap possessed, or imprisonment for not more than 2 years, or both.

(c) Payment Of Court Costs And Other Associated Expenses.—A person found to be in violation of subsection (a) shall pay all court costs associated therewith.

SEC. 4. REWARDS.

(a) General Rule.—The Secretary shall pay, to any person who furnishes information that leads to a conviction of a violation of any provision of this Act or any rule made under this Act, an amount equal to one-half of the fine paid pursuant to the conviction.

(b) Exception.—Any officer or employee of the United States or of any State or local government who furnishes information or renders service in the performance of his or her official duties is not eligible for payment under this section.


SEC. 5. ENFORCEMENT.

(a) In General.—Except with respect to violations of this Act to which subsection (b) applies, this Act and any rules made under this Act shall be enforced by the Secretary, who may use by agreement, with or without reimbursement, the personnel, services, and facilities of any other Federal agency or any State agency for purposes of enforcing this Act and such rules.

(b) Import And Export Violations.—

(1) IMPORT VIOLATIONS.—The importation of articles in violation of section 3(a) shall be treated as a violation of the customs laws of the United States, and those provisions of law relating to violations of the customs laws of the United States shall apply thereto.

(2) EXPORT VIOLATIONS.—The authorities under the Export Administration Act of 1979 (50 U.S.C. App. 2401 et seq.) (as continued in effect under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act), including penalties, shall be used to enforce the provisions of this Act relating to the export of articles in violation of section 3(a).

(c) Forfeiture.—

(1) GENERAL RULE.—Except with respect to exports to which the provisions of the Export Administration Act of 1979 (50 U.S.C. App. 2401 et seq.) (as continued in effect under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act) apply, and imports to which the customs laws of the United States apply, pursuant to subsection (b), any steel-jaw leghold trap or Conibear trap taken, possessed, sold, purchased, offered for sale or purchase, imported, exported, transported, delivered, received, carried, or shipped in violation of this Act or any rule made under this Act, shall be subject to forfeiture to the United States. Those provisions of law relating to—

(A) the seizure, summary and judicial forfeiture, and condemnation of property for violations of the customs laws of the United States;

(B) the disposition of such property or the proceeds from the sale thereof;

(C) the remission or mitigation of such forfeitures; and

(D) the compromise of claims,

shall apply to seizures and forfeitures incurred, or alleged to have been incurred, under the provisions of this subsection, insofar as applicable and not inconsistent with this Act.

(2) ENFORCEMENT.—Such duties as are imposed upon the customs officer or any other person with respect to the seizure and forfeiture of property under the customs laws of the United States may be performed with respect to seizures and forfeitures of property under this subsection by the Secretary or such officers and employees as may be authorized or designated for that purpose by the Secretary, or, upon the request of the Secretary, by any other agency that has authority to manage and dispose of seized property.

(d) Injunctions.—The Attorney General of the United States may seek to enjoin any person who is alleged to be in violation of this Act or any rule made under this Act.

(e) Cooperation.—The Secretary of Commerce, the Secretary of the Treasury, and the head of any other department or agency with enforcement responsibilities under this Act shall cooperate with the Secretary in ensuring that this Act, and rules made under this Act, are enforced in the most effective and efficient manner.

SEC. 6. DEFINITIONS.

In this Act:

(1) STEEL-JAW LEGHOLD TRAP.—The term “steel-jaw leghold trap”—

(A) means any spring-powered pan or sear-activated device with one or two opposing steel jaws, whether the jaws are smooth, toothed, padded, enclosed (dog-proof), or offset, that is designed to capture an animal by snapping closed upon the animal’s limb, foot, or part thereof; and

(B) does not include any cage or box trap; suitcase-type live beaver trap; or mouse or rat snap trap.

(2) CONIBEAR TRAP.—The term “Conibear trap”—

(A) means any trap consisting of two metal frames hinged at the center point and powered by two torsion springs to create a scissor-like action designed to kill an animal by snapping an animal’s spinal column; and

(B) does not include any cage or box trap; suitcase-type live beaver trap; mouse or rat snap trap.

(3) CUSTOMS LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES.—The term “customs laws of the United States” means any other law or regulation enforced or administered by the United States Customs Service.

(4) IMPORT.—The term “import” means to land on, bring into, or introduce into, any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, whether or not such landing, bringing, or introduction constitutes an entry into the customs territory of the United States.

(5) INTERSTATE COMMERCE.—The term “interstate commerce” has the meaning given such term in section 10 of title 18, United States Code.

(6) SECRETARY.—The term “Secretary” means the Secretary of the Interior.

SEC. 7. RULEMAKING.

The Secretary may make rules to carry out this Act.

SEC. 8. EFFECTIVE DATE.

This Act shall take effect 1 year after the date of the enactment of this Act."

I think sportfishing will be greatly curtailed. I suspect catch and release fishing will be banned like it in Germany and that limits will be greatly reduced.

Keith



What scares me the most about this bill, if it passes, is section 4 dealing with rewards. The same same language will be used on their gun control bill.

ol'dad


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Re: Trapping illegal next year [Re: concrete man] #7128524
01/09/21 06:15 PM
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Hunting,fishing and trapping is specified as a right in Idaho's constitution.


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Re: Trapping illegal next year [Re: concrete man] #7128530
01/09/21 06:20 PM
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I'm starting to look at my traps as survival tools if our society tanks. Rifles but no ammo and so on. I'm learning how to start fire without matches. Don't hurt to prepare for the worst.

Re: Trapping illegal next year [Re: TNorman] #7128531
01/09/21 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by TNorman
For one I'm with T-Rev pass what they want I'm still doin what I I feel is right. As far as the bill goes may just have to start buying some assembly required products as it does not specify parts.



How would they know if they are new traps or older. Going to have to stamp them like a 94 high cap mag ban mag?

Re: Trapping illegal next year [Re: CoonsBane] #7128548
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Originally Posted by CoonsBane
Hunting is a Constitutional Right in many states.


It doesn't matter to the democrats whatsoever. They are against hunting, trapping, fishing and gleaning natural resources. The democrats believe in strong government. We lost. There are consequences to losing and we are going to experience them.

Keith

Re: Trapping illegal next year [Re: concrete man] #7128550
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They'll add "possession of " to the law. . .


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Re: Trapping illegal next year [Re: KeithC] #7128556
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Originally Posted by KeithC
Originally Posted by CoonsBane
Hunting is a Constitutional Right in many states.


It doesn't matter to the democrats whatsoever. They are against hunting, trapping, fishing and gleaning natural resources. The democrats believe in strong government. We lost. There are consequences to losing and we are going to experience them.

Keith

Yep you are exactly right. I feel as though the next 4 years are going to be something we can’t imagine. And I also think the democrats will be in power for a very long time now

Re: Trapping illegal next year [Re: concrete man] #7128595
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Only if you think forever is a very long time......

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