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Picked up another cat today. #7130092
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Nice!!!! Besides cannibalism, what animals prey on Lynx?


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Re: Picked up another cat today. [Re: Boco] #7130101
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Nice lynx.They are even killing deer here in Maine now.


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Re: Picked up another cat today. [Re: Boco] #7130115
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Nothing I know of will tackle an adult lynx.
They run on top of the snow with the huge feet,so wolves cant get them in winter,also they can climb to get away from wolves as lynx are never far from cover here.
Kittens are no doubt preyed upon by adults when the rabbits fail,most probably after they get weak from starvation.
Lynx dead in a snare are fairly safe once frozen.When snaring lynx you have to gang set to prevent family groups from cannibalizing the caught lynx.Mothers will eat kits and the kits will eat the mother and each other if you dont set enough snares.Leon Lecours caught 5 lynx at a jackpot a number of years back.That is the most I have heard of in one check at one jackpot.3 at a jackpot is not uncommon when a family group comes thru. Lynx meat is second only to beaver for top notch bait.


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Big Congrats Boco!!!


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Re: Picked up another cat today. [Re: Boco] #7130136
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Thanks 330,I seen his tracks in the area last week and knew it was just a matter of time once he was "in the gauntlet".


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Re: Picked up another cat today. [Re: Boco] #7130151
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Do you get much of any snare damage to the guard hairs or under-wool ?

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Very nice catch!


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Re: Picked up another cat today. [Re: Boco] #7130160
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Originally Posted by Boco
Nothing I know of will tackle an adult lynx.
They run on top of the snow with the huge feet,so wolves cant get them in winter,also they can climb to get away from wolves as lynx are never far from cover here.
Kittens are no doubt preyed upon by adults when the rabbits fail,most probably after they get weak from starvation.
Lynx dead in a snare are fairly safe once frozen.When snaring lynx you have to gang set to prevent family groups from cannibalizing the caught lynx.Mothers will eat kits and the kits will eat the mother and each other if you dont set enough snares.Leon Lecours caught 5 lynx at a jackpot a number of years back.That is the most I have heard of in one check at one jackpot.3 at a jackpot is not uncommon when a family group comes thru. Lynx meat is second only to beaver for top notch bait.

Big male fisher are the number one killer of adult lynx here in Maine.


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Nice catch Boco


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Re: Picked up another cat today. [Re: Bruce T] #7130191
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Originally Posted by Bruce T
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Nothing I know of will tackle an adult lynx.
They run on top of the snow with the huge feet,so wolves cant get them in winter,also they can climb to get away from wolves as lynx are never far from cover here.
Kittens are no doubt preyed upon by adults when the rabbits fail,most probably after they get weak from starvation.
Lynx dead in a snare are fairly safe once frozen.When snaring lynx you have to gang set to prevent family groups from cannibalizing the caught lynx.Mothers will eat kits and the kits will eat the mother and each other if you dont set enough snares.Leon Lecours caught 5 lynx at a jackpot a number of years back.That is the most I have heard of in one check at one jackpot.3 at a jackpot is not uncommon when a family group comes thru. Lynx meat is second only to beaver for top notch bait.

Big male fisher are the number one killer of adult lynx here in Maine.


Fisher couldnt even catch an adult lynx let alone kill it.A lynx can do 25 feet in one jump.Seen it.grassline on the highway to yellow line to grassline.
Fisher will scavenge a dead one that has been killed by another lynx due to starvation when the rabbit population diasappears.They likely kill the kits as those are the ones that starve first.Lynx hunt co operatively when in a family group so a fisher would have to face several lynx if they tried to take a kit from a family group.

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Re: Picked up another cat today. [Re: Boco] #7130194
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Wrong this has been proven by the biologists here in the state of Maine by their collared lynx.When they get a death signal they check it out and find well over 90% of them fisher kills.


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Bull.Fisher dont prey on Lynx.Scavenged.There are places where lynx and fisher are in the same habitat in Northern Ontario.There are less fisher where lynx are plentiful since fisher cannot compete with a lynx for the rabbits.Lynx is a much more efficient hunter than a fisher in snow.
Like I said-starving population and where you are they are at the extreme limit of their range-not a healthy normal population-thats why they are protected there.
Scavenged by fisher.

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Re: Picked up another cat today. [Re: Boco] #7130204
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Small Weasel-Like Animals Are Taking Down Big Cats
Two elusive predators, the lynx and the fisher, battle to the death in the snowstorms of New England.
BY JOSHUA RAPP LEARN
PUBLISHED SEPTEMBER 28, 2018

Looks fierce? Not according to fishers, half their size. New researchers shows the weasels aren’t daunted at taking Canada lynx out for dinner – literally preying on the cats in Maine.
PHOTOGRAPH BY TIM FITZHARRIS, MINDEN PICTURES/ NAT GEO IMAGE COLLECTION
In the empty winter forests of Maine, small weasel-like animals known as fishers bet against their mortal odds when it comes to food and survival.


New research shows for the first time that these opportunistic predators—not much larger than a big house cat—can and do take down Canadian lynx, which can grow up to double their size. (Related: Fierce, Furry Fishers Are Expanding Their Range—and Bulk.)

“A fisher really doesn’t have any boundaries in the size of the animal it’s willing to attack,” says Scott McLellan, assistant regional wildlife biologist with the Maine Department of Inland Fisheries and Wildlife and the lead author of a study published recently in the Journal of Wildlife Management.

“We know that fishers are very opportunistic,” he says. “They are just a ball of fury.” (Watch: Hear a fisher's scream.)


Scene of the Crime
While researchers never witnessed an attack firsthand, McLellan’s and his coauthors’ “scavenger hunt” for these attacks started with putting radio collars on lynx to track the cats’ movements in Maine from 1999 and 2011. When they suspected that a lynx had met its end, they would track down the location of the collar.

At this point, piecing together the evidence was a little like forensic anthropology at a crime scene. They would try to find the legs and various parts of the cat—especially the neck and head, which could show bite marks as evidence of a fisher kill and rule out the possibility that the weasel just stumbled across a lynx who had recently died.


Don’t let the cute face distract you. Fishers are calculating predators, killing lynx and other animals by going straight for their necks.
PHOTOGRAPH BY TIM FITZHARRIS, MINDEN PICTURES/NAT GEO IMAGE COLLECTION

Lucky for the researchers, many of these attacks happened during the dead of winter and evidence could be seen in the snow.

Researchers found that before the attack happened, they would often see the fisher tracks connect with those of the lynx, indicating the weasels had picked up the cats’ trail.


A Ghost In A Snowstorm
Based on the appearance of the tracks, an attack by a fisher on a lynx would often happen in the middle of a quick snowstorm, which may have worked to the advantage of these vicious little predators. A fisher would attack, often when the cat was bedded down to wait out the snow flurry, going right for the lynx’s neck.

“They just buckle on. They have a pretty powerful grip and they know where to attack,” McLellan says, adding that the fishers would finish the cats off pretty quickly. “There was some struggle certainly, but it didn’t appear to last very long. There were some broken branches, tufts of fur, and claw marks where the lynx was trying to get away.”


Once the lynx were dead, the fun had just begun for the gruesome fishers. The weasels would begin to dismember the fresh lynx carcass and hide pieces in various places, likely since it couldn’t eat the whole 20-to-30-pound body in a single sitting.

“It might drag a leg up into a tree. It might drag a leg into a brush pile or under the snow somewhere,” he says, adding that they would also remove the heads sometimes.

Feline Revenge
There is evidence, though, that some lynx were not passive prey items, McLellan says. “In some cases we found fisher hair stuck in the mouth of the dead lynx, so there was obviously some effort on the lynx’s part to defend itself,” he says. But he is unsure whether lynx ever beat the fishers in these mortal battles, or whether they sometimes even prey on the weasels.


VIDEO SHOWS THE BIZARRE SOUND OF A LYNX SCREAMING MATCH
Two lynxes were caught shrieking at each other in Avery Lake, Michigan.
On the other hand, bobcats—close relatives of lynx—turn the tables on the feisty fishers, according to research by Greta Wengert, cofounder of the Integral Ecology Research Center, a non-profit organization dedicated to the research and conservation of wildlife and their ecosystems.

“Pretty quickly it became evident that bobcats were the main predators, at least on female fishers,” she says, adding that she and other researchers are focusing a lot of attention on Western subspecies of fishers due to ongoing research by the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service into possibly listing those animals as endangered or threatened.

According to her, the western subspecies of fishers are often a little smaller than their eastern counterparts, which may be enough to tip the scales in favor of the felines. Bobcats are also a little smaller than lynx.

But once again, size can be deceiving.

“Bobcat and felid researchers weren’t completely surprised because [bobcats] are known to be more aggressive—more power pound for pound [than lynx],” Wengert says.

Worlds Apart
McLellan says that his team found about a dozen examples of fisher predation on lynx in their four township area of Maine over the roughly 12 years of study, and suspected a few more cases. But while these cats certainly meet a grisly end, this interaction doesn’t seem to have any negative population effects on the lynx, whose population has actually been growing over the study period.

The newly discovered interaction speaks to the fact that different animals have different ecological niches, and McLellan would like to learn more about these interactions: “If I had my way, we’d be putting more collars on both fishers and lynx.”

He is unsure whether fishers take on other unruly predators besides lynx in the area, but he says it’s possible they might take out a creature like a coyote.

“If a fisher can get a hold of the neck of an animal, they are willing to hold on for dear life,” he says.


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That is anecdotal and means squat.
I been around the bush 50 years some city boy student wont snow me,lol
Read between the lines-they are trying to ban more trapping in your state by making up garbage-worst part is you guys dont know any better and believe it,lol


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Re: Picked up another cat today. [Re: Boco] #7130220
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The antis don't want lynx caught in fisher sets.If they truly cared about lynx instead of just outlawing trapping they would want more fisher trapped.These are proven facts about fisher killing adult lynx.I have talked to the biologists myself at trappers meetings and our annual spring Baxter Park meeting each year which includes Maine fisheries and wildlife.


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That's a nice cat Boco.


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The schoolboy biologists claims dont pass the smell test.Your fisher population from what I have seen on here is very healthy and has increased dramatically over the last 30-40 years.
And now with the fisher boom you also have-in your own words-lynx everywhere.
You really need to talk to some oldtimers who have spent their lives trapping in the bush-not believing some city boy book bio's who have no practical experience and an ulterior motive.

Next thing they'll be telling you that fishers kill wolves so they can protect wolves,lol.

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Maine has always had alot of fisher.The lynx population has increased greatly due to all the clear cutting and timber harvest and now miles and miles of snowshoe hare habitat caused by it.


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About the wolves it will be about outlawing shooting coyotes so you don't shoot a wolf by mistake.


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