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Re: Serious flintlock question [Re: g smith] #7134353
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Originally Posted by g smith
If you did the feather would you have to wait to pull it Before you primed the pan ? Could you put in feather ,prime then close the frizzen ? would it spill out of the pan if you closed the frizzen with powder in it while the feather was in the touch hole ?


I honestly don't know...

The touch holes on my guns are so small I cant get a feather quill in them... At least not one from a chicken. smile I also never leave my gun loaded long enough to necessitate using a feather.

As far as the feather keeping the frizzen open enough for your prime to trickle out... Hard to say. It might keep the frizzen open a crack but if you're just leaning the gun against a tree while you work, it might stay. I also doubt they used 4f to prime back whe the feather trick was popular... They probably primed with the same powder they had in their horn that was used for the main charge. So a larger granulation might not seep out of a gap in the frizzen.

I think a lot of the stuff we take for granted as part of muzzleloading came later on... I quit using 4f in a separate primer and just use the 3f in my main horn... Less crap to carry and keep track of. Also the 3f fouling left in the pan doesn't seem to get soupy as fast on a humid day.

It's hard to say, "This is how they did it..." Very little has survived from the 18th and early 19th centuries. We just know what we know from the few surviving specimens and what little info was jotted down for posterity.

Mike


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Re: Serious flintlock question [Re: g smith] #7134361
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Mike that is a very honest answer and I thank you . I wonder if the lefties suffered with any powder in the face ? That is the only thing that is keeping me from getting one.


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Re: Serious flintlock question [Re: g smith] #7134362
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when you place the , pick, feather , tooth pick it is typically to keep the flash channel open. an open channel with 1/3 of the pan filled gives good fast ignition.

a pan with a trail of powder through the channel works more like a fuse Flash,,,,,boom

when loading a patched ball the powder is compressed some , the ball is seated on the powder and not moving. once the powder column is compressed a little it is less likely to trickle out

an uncompressed load with a ball just rolled down the barrel under it's own weight i a very different type of loading, there is the potential of having the ball get stuck half way down the barrel on fowling your creating an explosion with a barrel obstruction. being there isn't much for resistance it probably works but could go wrong.

in safe muzzle loading you always make sure the ball or projectile is down on the powder without air gap , you don't have to compress it hard but you want it touching the powder column.
starting and explosion with an air gap means pressure builds then runs into resistance and can spike

if the ball is down on the black powder the ball starts moving right away with the explosion.


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Re: Serious flintlock question [Re: g smith] #7134367
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Originally Posted by g smith
Mike that is a very honest answer and I thank you . I wonder if the lefties suffered with any powder in the face ? That is the only thing that is keeping me from getting one.


I've seen several instances of lefties shooting a right hand gun... Most seem to handle it well.

You can open an account at most places... Track of the Wolf for instance... And watch the guns that come through. You can probably even email them and request that they notify you when a left handed gun comes in. Might give you time to save up to buy a nice one too.

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Re: Serious flintlock question [Re: g smith] #7134404
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Mike, I use 2F in my smoothie and prime from the horn. Don't seem to have any issues.

Never used a feather, either. Never needed to,

Re: Serious flintlock question [Re: g smith] #7134495
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Late to this discussion, but my 2 cents worth. The reading that I have done was concerning shortened North West guns. These were loaded as mentioned and carried muzzle up until the moment of discharge and then tipped down and almost against the bison. A slightly undersized ball in a smoothbore will just roll down the barrel when loaded. I have seen many original flintlocks with an oversized touch hole from heavy use that would indeed self prime.

Re: Serious flintlock question [Re: Woodsloafer72] #7135074
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[quote=Woodsloafer72]Mike, I use 2F in my smoothie and prime from the horn. Don't seem to have any issues.

Never used a feather, either. Never needed to,[/q

I was running 85 gr of 3f in my .62 smoothie and couldn't hit the broad side of the barn while standing inside of it.
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I went to 2f at 110 gr and things are starting to improve... But I think I can do better. Also less punishing to shoot 2f.

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Re: Serious flintlock question [Re: g smith] #7135846
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I'm running about 80 gr of 2F. 6 to 8 inch groups at 50 yds. Won't take home any prizes, but it makes meat.

Re: Serious flintlock question [Re: Woodsloafer72] #7135860
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Originally Posted by Woodsloafer72
I'm running about 80 gr of 2F. 6 to 8 inch groups at 50 yds. Won't take home any prizes, but it makes meat.


You forgot to tell them ..your shooting a Smoothbore Flinter ...with no rear sight...lol


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Re: Serious flintlock question [Re: Woodsloafer72] #7135865
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Originally Posted by Woodsloafer72
I'm running about 80 gr of 2F. 6 to 8 inch groups at 50 yds. Won't take home any prizes, but it makes meat.


OK, at 50 yards I'm getting about a 7" group strung horizontally... That'll put meat in the freezer but I'm going to try to get it to do better.

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Re: Serious flintlock question [Re: Nessmuck] #7135868
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Originally Posted by Nessmuck
Originally Posted by Woodsloafer72
I'm running about 80 gr of 2F. 6 to 8 inch groups at 50 yds. Won't take home any prizes, but it makes meat.


You forgot to tell them ..your shooting a Smoothbore Flinter ...with no rear sight...lol


The lack of a rear sight doesn't slow me down nearly as much as the lack of rifling. Lol

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Re: Serious flintlock question [Re: g smith] #7135909
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50 yards ..off hand...Smoothy..no rear sight... need more trigger time...85 FFF...card...wad.....600 ball with .010 patch...can push it in with my thumb.

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Re: Serious flintlock question [Re: g smith] #7135914
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Nessy, that's pretty much a 'ditto' of mine.

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Originally Posted by Mike in A-town
Nessy, that's pretty much a 'ditto' of mine.

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That's about how mine look, too. That's also about how my 12 gauge throws slugs. I think it's more the smooth bore than the load.

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Used a .45 flinter that my FIL made, one year. That thing was accurate! If you could see a squirrel you could take the head off.

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Nessy, that's pretty much a 'ditto' of mine.

Mike


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Yep. Lol

My main purpose for getting a smoothie was for turkeys... Then when I checked the regs the state changed the rules to allow ML rifles of .36 or bigger... So I may trade up the .32 for a .36 (or use my .45)

But I would like to push that smoothie and see just how tight I can get with RB loads... Almost a matter of pride now. Lol

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I've wanted to make a .32 or a .36 for squirrel and coon hunting. Thinking the .36 might be better for coon.

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Thatís the only gun I grab for when I go to the range....itís the challenge!


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Originally Posted by Woodsloafer72
I've wanted to make a .32 or a .36 for squirrel and coon hunting. Thinking the .36 might be better for coon.



I have a percussion 40 cal...Iíve owned for years....shot a 48 3X offhand 50 yards with it. ....40 is a nice cal too !


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