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Joe Manchin and gun control #7131086
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Does anybody know where he exactly stands on this issue or his past voting records on gun issues. He says he is pro-gun but I remember a few years ago he co-sponsored a bill with Sen. Pat Toomey for a national background check that failed at the time. Is he gun owners last ray of hope?

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No he is not our last hope, Democrats are.
All the massive gun sales the last 12 years or so were done by a large group of democrats as well as republicans. Those democrats who own guns and want to keep them need to start hammering on their representatives.

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Re: Joe Manchin and gun control [Re: Osky] #7131094
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Originally Posted by Osky
No he is not our last hope, Democrats are.
All the massive gun sales the last 12 years or so were done by a large group of democrats as well as republicans. Those democrats who own guns and want to keep them need to start hammering on their representatives.

Osky

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The democrats are being more and more influenced by a relatively small group of young urban liberals. Eventually hopefully they'll soon realize the many urban people value their arms. Osky is right.

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Originally Posted by Pike River
The democrats are being more and more influenced by a relatively small group of young urban liberals. Eventually hopefully they'll soon realize the many urban people value their arms. Osky is right.


Look at how high school trap shooting has become the fastest growing sport. In MN it’s second only to football with over 12k participants...this is where you start! I coach them, I have a pretty good split of R parents and D parents. But there they stand at a shooting sport side by side watching and cheering the youth.
All those Dems who have purchased guns probably don’t want them taken.. disagree with them on a lot but work on them with this subject.
I’m to believe there are a lot more common interests in people than the ruling class and extremists want us to believe. To them division is power.

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I don’t remember anyone checking voter affiliation on the battlefield. I find that most folks have way more in common than different but most folks aren’t elitist or radical. I’m hoping that the regular dems will hammer their elected officials


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Originally Posted by Osky
Originally Posted by Pike River
The democrats are being more and more influenced by a relatively small group of young urban liberals. Eventually hopefully they'll soon realize the many urban people value their arms. Osky is right.


Look at how high school trap shooting has become the fastest growing sport. In MN it’s second only to football with over 12k participants...this is where you start! I coach them, I have a pretty good split of R parents and D parents. But there they stand at a shooting sport side by side watching and cheering the youth.
All those Dems who have purchased guns probably don’t want them taken.. disagree with them on a lot but work on them with this subject.
I’m to believe there are a lot more common interests in people than the ruling class and extremists want us to believe. To them division is power.

Osky

Yeah, we shoot trap too...you don't think they could make a loophole where you can only purchase your ammo at an approved sport facility? I'm with you that they enjoy the activity of shooting, but one can do that without the "cruelty" of involving animals.


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Gun control means hitting what you shoot at.

These nimrods are trying to eliminate your 2A rights a piece at a time


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Originally Posted by Osky
No he is not our last hope, Democrats are.
All the massive gun sales the last 12 years or so were done by a large group of democrats as well as republicans. Those democrats who own guns and want to keep them need to start hammering on their representatives.

Osky


Are a little late to the party...


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Looks like he's not terrible - although anyone who voted for any infringements isn't good. But, there aren't many in government who are truly pro-freedom and support the 2A 100% anymore. He is better than most. https://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/Joe_Manchin_III_Gun_Control.htm


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hoping big d changes it mind on taking your guns is like hoping you win the lottery. odds are the same


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Originally Posted by Leftlane
Gun control means hitting what you shoot at.

These nimrods are trying to eliminate your 2A rights a piece at a time


Thanks Lefty. I thought gun control meant use both hands. smile


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Originally Posted by danny clifton
hoping big d changes it mind on taking your guns is like hoping you win the lottery. odds are the same


there was a local radio talk show host who used to say the lottery was a tax on Stupidity: the more you buy tickets, (thinking you'll win); the more stupid you are.

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Originally Posted by white marlin
Originally Posted by danny clifton
hoping big d changes it mind on taking your guns is like hoping you win the lottery. odds are the same


there was a local radio talk show host who used to say the lottery was a tax on Stupidity: the more you buy tickets, (thinking you'll win); the more stupid you are.

I agree with that 100%. I cannot count how many times I have gone into a store after work just wanting to buy a drink and go home. There will be some guy at the counter buying scratch offs with his last few dollars. “ Gimme a couple of dem numba sevens, and one dem numba tens. Aight how much dat is? Ok go ahead and put dat numba ten back. “. I am 30 years old and have never bought a lottery ticket for myself. Never felt lucky enough to win so I spend my money elsewhere.

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Joe Manchin will do what ever is best for Joe Manchin. At this point he may be one of the most hated people in West Virginia. Go to his Facebook page and see what people currently think of him. His daughter was the ceo of mylan who jacked up the price of the epie pen to 500 bucks a dose. She just recently stepped down. Not a month after stepping down the company closed up shop in wv 1600 jobs out the door. Joe Manchin doesn't care about you, your guns, or the second Amendment.

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“I went to the shooting range yesterday so I can practice and get in shape,” he said. “We're not going to take guns away, but there should be things people should not have in their hands.”



https://www.newsmax.com/politics/manchin-stimuluschecks-infrastructure/2021/01/10/id/1004975/

sure doesnt sound like he is against registering grampas old 22 as a NFA regulated firearm

If he doesnt want to take guns away how is he going to enforce " there should be things people should not have in their hands.”


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Originally Posted by Choo
Joe Manchin will do what ever is best for Joe Manchin. At this point he may be one of the most hated people in West Virginia. Go to his Facebook page and see what people currently think of him. His daughter was the ceo of mylan who jacked up the price of the epie pen to 500 bucks a dose. She just recently stepped down. Not a month after stepping down the company closed up shop in wv 1600 jobs out the door. Joe Manchin doesn't care about you, your guns, or the second Amendment.

This ^^^
A political chameleon.

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Joe Manchin came out in support of Obama's gun control proposal and still managed to get reelected in West Virginia. No, JM is no friend of gun owners, but apparently it doesn't matter enough to his West Va constituency at election time.

I would like to think that Osky is right about Democrat gun owners finally realizing voting Democrat is going to threaten their 2A rights, but I am afraid that they consider other issues more important and vote Democrat regardless.

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Joe Manchin is given an "A" rating by the NRA for what that is worth. He has voted against many of the DemoRat tyrannical gun laws. It's not like he has a choice if he wants to stay in office.The guy is in West Virginia. People in that state come out of the womb with a gun. His voting record seems ok. However, I do not trust him if it comes down to him having a crucial vote and the radical Communist Demorats put pressure on him. He will turn and do what is best for Joe Manchin. Here is his record:

Rated A by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun rights voting record.

Manchin scores A by NRA on pro-gun rights policies
While widely recognized today as a major political force and as America's foremost defender of Second Amendment rights, the National Rifle Association (NRA) has, since its inception, been the premier firearms education organization in the world. But our successes would not be possible without the tireless efforts and countless hours of service our nearly three million members have given to champion Second Amendment rights and support NRA programs.

The following ratings are based on lifetime voting records on gun issues and the results of a questionaire sent to all Congressional candidates; the NRA assigned a letter grade (with A+ being the highest and F being the lowest).

What the Grades Mean:
A+: A legislator with not only an excellent voting record on all critical NRA issues, but who has also made a vigorous effort to promote and defend the Second Amendment.
A: Solidly pro-gun candidate including voting record.
AQ: A pro-gun candidate whose rating is based solely on the NRA-PVF Candidate Questionnaire and who does not have a voting record.
B: A generally pro-gun candidate; may have opposed some pro-gun reform in the past.
C: A candidate with a mixed record or positions on gun related issues, who may oppose some pro-gun positions.
D: An anti-gun candidate who usually supports restrictive gun control legislation. Regardless of public statements, can usually be counted on to vote wrong on key issues.
F: True enemy of gun owners' rights. A consistent anti-gun candidate.
?: Refused to answer the NRA-PVF Candidate Questionnaire, often an indication of indifference, if not outright hostility, to gun owners' rights.
Source: NRA website 10-NRA on Aug 11, 2010

Allow veterans to register unlicensed guns acquired abroad.

Manchin co-sponsored Veterans' Heritage Firearms Act
Provides a 90-day amnesty period during which veterans and their family members can register in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record any firearm acquired before October 31, 1968, by a veteran while a member of the Armed Forces stationed outside the continental United States.
Grants such an individual limited immunity with respect to the acquisition, possession, transportation, or alteration of such firearm before or concurrent with such registration.
Extends such immunity to a veteran who attempts to register a qualifying firearm outside of the amnesty period if the veteran surrenders the firearm within 30 days after being notified of potential criminal liability for continued possession.
Transfers each firearm qualifying as a curio or relic which has been forfeited to the United States to the first qualified museum that requests it
Publishes information identifying each such firearm which is available to be transferred to a museum.
Makes a prohibition against transfer or possession of a machine-gun inapplicable to museums.
Source: HR420/S798 11-S0798 on Apr 12, 2011

Oppose the United Nations' Arms Trade Treaty.
Manchin signed Letter to Pres. Obama from 50 Senators
Dear President Obama:

We write to express our concern and regret at your decision to sign the United Nations' Arms Trade Treaty. For the following reasons, we cannot give our advice and consent to this treaty:

The treaty violates a 2009 red line laid down by your own administration: "the rule of consensus decision-making." In April 2013, after the treaty failed to achieve consensus, it was adopted by majority vote in the UN General Assembly.
The treaty allows amendments by a 3/4 majority vote. When amended, it will become a source of political and legal pressure on the US to comply in practice with amendments it was unwilling to accept.
The treaty includes only a weak, non-binding reference to the lawful ownership and use of firearms, and recognizes none of these activities, much less individual self-defense, as fundamental individual rights. It encourages governments to collect the identities of individual end users of imported firearms at the national level, which would constitute the core of a national gun registry
The State Department has acknowledged that the treaty is "ambiguous." By becoming party to the treaty, the US would therefore be accepting commitments that are inherently unclear.
The criteria at the heart of the treaty are vague and easily politicized. They will steadily subject the US to the influence of internationally-defined norms, a process that would impinge on our national sovereignty.
The treaty criteria as established could hinder the US in fulfilling its strategic, legal, and moral commitments to provide arms to key allies such as Taiwan and Israel.
We urge you to notify the treaty depository that the US does not intend to ratify the Arms Trade Treaty, and is therefore not bound by its obligations. As members of the Senate, we pledge to oppose the ratification of this treaty, and we give notice that we do not regard the US as bound to uphold its object and purpose.
Source: Letter to Obama from 50 Senators 13-UNATT on Sep 25, 2013

Restrict right to bear arms, according to CC survey.
Manchin supports the CC survey question on Second Amendment
The Christian Coalition Voter Guide inferred whether candidates agree or disagree with the statement, 'Further Restrictions on the Right to Keep and Bear Arms' Christian Coalition's self-description: "Christian Voter Guide is a clearing-house for traditional, pro-family voter guides. We do not create voter guides, nor do we interview or endorse candidates."


Source: https://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/Joe_Manchin_III_Gun_Control.htm


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The NRA continues to SUPPORT gun control. Who cares what they have to say. Supporting this jokester just proves my point.


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