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Re: MUSKRAT WIRE STRETCHER VS. WOOD STRETCHER [Re: The Beav] #7133529
01/12/21 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by The Beav
How do you sleeve a push up?

Well you cut a hole through the ice and then with a shoulder length glove you punch a hole Into the push up entering It below the water line. Place the trap In the void and then plug the hole. Don't try and find the entrance It's a waste of time.

I'm just saying we can legally trap In the push up. I didn't say It was very effective.


So we can punch a hole from the bottom of the pushup but not the top? Where was that in the regs?

Re: MUSKRAT WIRE STRETCHER VS. WOOD STRETCHER [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7133560
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They don't tell you what you can do In the regs they only tell you what you can't do.


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Re: MUSKRAT WIRE STRETCHER VS. WOOD STRETCHER [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7133583
01/12/21 03:49 PM
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I guess you and I have different interpretations of molesting a muskrat feeding house.

Re: MUSKRAT WIRE STRETCHER VS. WOOD STRETCHER [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7133613
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Lets not turn sleeving pushups into an internet issue. When I do it, i work my way around outside of pushup w chisel, find the entrance cause of thin ice, chop hole In ice, not pushup, reach my hand up into inside of pushup, create a mental picture of intereior, and then slip trap in there, only ice is molested. If you cant find the thin ice spot, move on. I need to get back out there...

Re: MUSKRAT WIRE STRETCHER VS. WOOD STRETCHER [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7133622
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If you know what a binder clip is I suggest you pick them up for wire. 1/4 clip(office supply company’s will have them) and use them on the sides. Pull down the skirt clip both sides and gently pull down the tail and hook on. The binder clips hold a bigger portion of the skirt and THEY DO NOT MOVE ON THE WIRE


Do the binder clips leave a pretty deep imprint on the dried leather? I suppose if it doesn't tear the leather, its all good!


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Re: MUSKRAT WIRE STRETCHER VS. WOOD STRETCHER [Re: NonPCfed] #7133749
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As stated one does not need to molest a feeder or pushup when sleeving. There is always one and many times two openings that the rat uses to get up on the platform when entering the feeder. The fact that many times they swim right under the ice typically keeps the ice thinner over the entrance and thus easier to sound and also to chop. I don't have long arms so I don't sleeve any sizable huts as I can not get to the platform. By entering from below and in the water one can also quickly find out if the feeder is active. If you have no fresh clippings or there is ice on the ceiling of the pushup it is abandoned or temporarily not be used. Several rats typically will use one pushup as that action helps keep things open.

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Re: MUSKRAT WIRE STRETCHER VS. WOOD STRETCHER [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7133816
01/12/21 07:05 PM
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That was my understanding of how it was done, but definitely not how the Beav described his method.

But it's not worth bickering about, or we'll end up like we did with road right of way.

Re: MUSKRAT WIRE STRETCHER VS. WOOD STRETCHER [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7134087
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In my experience Sleeve trapping is far more effective when you minimize disturbance and enter through the plunge hole. Stake off to one side and don’t let the chain cross the run.

Re: MUSKRAT WIRE STRETCHER VS. WOOD STRETCHER [Re: nimzy] #7134140
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That is how I do it. Seem to get fewer plugs too. With several rats using one feeder you want the caught one out of the way and dispatched.

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Re: MUSKRAT WIRE STRETCHER VS. WOOD STRETCHER [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7134246
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Yup thats how I do it, and if you arent chiseling ice by plunge hole, you could be trying to chisel thru a foot of ice. And to get back on subject, wood for me, and Ive sold groeny rats that have been in deep freeze, stretched, that were two years old. He didnt have a problem with em...

Re: MUSKRAT WIRE STRETCHER VS. WOOD STRETCHER [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7134270
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Is it because WI has far more people than say SD, and thus, more trappers, that the state agency people don't want you trapping inside huts...? Do they think that your mrat population will be negatively affected and because you all seem to have more permanent marshes and swamps than say us, where much of our wetlands "flux" a lot, so rat pops swing up and down, and "aggressive" trapping techniques may really hammer the numbers to a sustained decline? Or is it some sort of "fair chase' culture where busting open a hut in the winter and even with proper plugging it, that's not considered "sporting" and so they ban it? Or is there just peta-hugger mission creep and the state will "allow" you to mrat trap in the winter but they really don't want to be too successful. Or some sort of combo of the above...? Truly curious watching from the sidelines...


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Re: MUSKRAT WIRE STRETCHER VS. WOOD STRETCHER [Re: The Beav] #7134289
01/12/21 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by The Beav

I'm just saying we can legally trap In the push up. I didn't say It was very effective

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I know of a Wisconsin feller or two who will disagree with this statement!


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Re: MUSKRAT WIRE STRETCHER VS. WOOD STRETCHER [Re: NonPCfed] #7134485
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Originally Posted by NonPCfed
Is it because WI has far more people than say SD, and thus, more trappers, that the state agency people don't want you trapping inside huts...? Do they think that your mrat population will be negatively affected and because you all seem to have more permanent marshes and swamps than say us, where much of our wetlands "flux" a lot, so rat pops swing up and down, and "aggressive" trapping techniques may really hammer the numbers to a sustained decline? Or is it some sort of "fair chase' culture where busting open a hut in the winter and even with proper plugging it, that's not considered "sporting" and so they ban it? Or is there just peta-hugger mission creep and the state will "allow" you to mrat trap in the winter but they really don't want to be too successful. Or some sort of combo of the above...? Truly curious watching from the sidelines...


Wisconsin’s traditionally has a conservative game management style. It is a reflection of our former furbearer biologists attitude. Caution of unknowns and not quite understood. Which is fair. I suppose the hut busting was discounted under fair chase.

Muskrats have been one that we feel compelled to protect, because they are so “ easy” to catch. We tend to think trappers and “aggressive “ methods will damage populations. Where in fact this is to the contrary. Once again the rat population outsmarts the trapper. Humans do negatively impact muskrat populations, just not trappers.

NPC your narrow mindedness is a sign of naivety.

Re: MUSKRAT WIRE STRETCHER VS. WOOD STRETCHER [Re: Steven 49er] #7134659
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Originally Posted by The Beav

I'm just saying we can legally trap In the push up. I didn't say It was very effective

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I know of a Wisconsin feller or two who will disagree with this statement!


Well 49er If you have 40 huts In the marsh and 3 push ups it's not all that effective.


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Re: MUSKRAT WIRE STRETCHER VS. WOOD STRETCHER [Re: skratmandoo] #7134669
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Originally Posted by skratmandoo
Yup thats how I do it, and if you arent chiseling ice by plunge hole, you could be trying to chisel thru a foot of ice. And to get back on subject, wood for me, and Ive sold groeny rats that have been in deep freeze, stretched, that were two years old. He didnt have a problem with em...


Well The times I have sleeved push ups there Is about 2" of Ice and using the cordless drill and my 6" auger makes short work out of drilling holes no chopping holes for me.


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Re: MUSKRAT WIRE STRETCHER VS. WOOD STRETCHER [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7134680
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Gary, are you sure every rat in the marsh isn't using those 3 pushups?

Don't get me wrong, I've never sleeved a house in my life but I also don't think like the conventional hut buster. When the time is right I will start sleeving to a degree.

NPC, you will find that very very few states allow molestation of the house in the winter.


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Re: MUSKRAT WIRE STRETCHER VS. WOOD STRETCHER [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7134688
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I have collapsed a few push ups. Opps! Every Tom,Dick, and Harry with no conservation concern could cause a lot of wanton waste. Sometimes laws are about Tom, Dick and Harry, not Nimzy. smile


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Re: MUSKRAT WIRE STRETCHER VS. WOOD STRETCHER [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7134692
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Wire 99% of the time. I do use a few boards, but only for rats that are too big for the wire

Re: MUSKRAT WIRE STRETCHER VS. WOOD STRETCHER [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7134725
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I have sleeved a lot of houses, not all of em have deep runs. and when there is 40 houses and three push ups, I bet there is ten or twenty more pushups hid. Some of the pushups i set look to be two inches high, you would think there would be nothing to em, but quite the roomy interior if being used... somtimes a rat will not go down the plunge hole, and will tear up pushup, nine times outta ten They can be rebuilt. and while searching for those pushups, set those blind sets thru the cattails. Packin up the dogs and setting a spot up today, still no sled. this discussion is more suited for the wi season thread. On the wood stretchers you can get away w a small belly board, easier for furbuyer too handle then

Re: MUSKRAT WIRE STRETCHER VS. WOOD STRETCHER [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7134783
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In this marsh all the huts are tucked back I the Tails. So In my way of thinking there Is no need to build a push up. The rat leaves the hut dives down to the cattail root system cuts it's lunch and heads back to the hut.


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