Restaurants that automatically add the gratuities to the. I'll tend to (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) off the customers. They don't always come back.

I agree. I don't like a tip automatically being added to the bill. I'm saying the price would be built into the items on the menu and no tips given/expected and noted as such.

So all you self proclaimed conservatives (anti-socialist) are good with this government redistribution scheme?

If you're averaging $18+ an hour with tips waiting 8 tables are you going to be OK taking a $3 an hour pay cut to wait those same 8 tables?

The good servers will find something else to do as soon as they are able... The servers who were poor or marginal will stay and soak up the $15 and not care about improving their service.

Mike

Has anyone said they for it?

In a previous post you said it would lead to an increase in prices. I think that's true. So I was responding to the circumstances you constructed.

No tips requires higher minimum wage, which requires higher prices...........leading in turn to fewer customers. I don't think most people would view it as spending the same amount. They would respond to the prices on the menu.

That's why you don't see prices posted on exterior menus of nonfastood or chain restaurants. Unless they deliberately are trying to keep the "riffraff" out.

I remember the government contract staff in the mess hall when I was in basic... So courteous and eager to please.

Can't wait for that to be the norm.

Mike

I do think there could be a curve there. When I traveled (feels like another life ago) at first there was sticker shock but after I got used to it and realized that it balances out I preferred it.

What are you talking about!? This guy gave the best service ever!

I think I'd prefer to keep tipping. It's a direct, immediate reward for work well done.

Most tips are not included on tax returns, the government does not like losing money from that, so they raise the minimum wage and people don't leave a tip. They want everything traceable. We are spiraling downhill fast

I'm not as anti-tipping as I'm coming across right now. I'm just looking for a good robust debate.

The 1 problem I have with tipping are the cheapskates that we are inadvertently subsidizing with our own tips in order to keep decent staff. They are benefiting from the good service they are receiving because the staff are expecting a good tip that decent adults will provide.

That used to be true but not anymore. Tips are tracked and factored in the majority of establishments.

Oh! I have a terrible idea but just for fun....


Pay and tip up front so the server knows how to deal with you. If they're not happy with the tip they can make the decision not to serve you.

The unions use min wage as part of their wage formula.
So the higher the min wage the higher the union wage.
So this is just a kick to unions shrouded, just like when they saved the auto unions by
claiming to want to save the auto companies.

Why do you dabble in the details of unintended consequences? Don't you understand the role of big government is to hand out trinkets to keep their dependents dependent.

Yes, cheapskates happen. Nothing is perfect. However the government in their infinite wisdom has decided that they are going to burn down the house to get rid of a few mice.

Mike

Minimum wage $15.00 / hr. I teach it in econ every day to my students. Results will be
Higher prices
Fewer businesses
Buying power for everyone else that does not see this increase decrease. Unless you get the same increase, which you won't.
Minimum wage is not a nor ever was intended to be a livable wage.
If you want something work for it, better yourself.

PS my 9th grades just got the talk about being lazy and always giving up when looking for information gets a little bit tough!! ARRGGHHHH!!!!

That's partly why some places automatically include the gratuities on the bill