Re: Unintended Consequences Minimum Wage
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If an increase in prices results in a decrease of customers, I suspect the most likely change would be to shut their doors. Who benefits from that ? How would doing away with tipping decrease customers? I go out for dinner and spend $40 on the meal. I leave a 20% tip meaning that the total experience cost me $48. Well....the establishment raises their prices by 20% to meet the high wage, I pay the same price. Also the establishment would more than likely become more profitable because the server is working 8 tables. It cost them $15/hr for 1 server for a $64 increase in revenue. Restaurants that automatically add the gratuities to the. I'll tend to (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) off the customers. They don't always come back.
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Re: Unintended Consequences Minimum Wage
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01/15/21 04:05 PM
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How would doing away with tipping decrease customers?
I go out for dinner and spend $40 on the meal. I leave a 20% tip meaning that the total experience cost me $48.
Well....the establishment raises their prices by 20% to meet the high wage, I pay the same price. Also the establishment would more than likely become more profitable because the server is working 8 tables. It cost them $15/hr for 1 server for a $64 increase in revenue.
Restaurants that automatically add the gratuities to the. I'll tend to (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) off the customers. They don't always come back. I agree. I don't like a tip automatically being added to the bill. I'm saying the price would be built into the items on the menu and no tips given/expected and noted as such.
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Re: Unintended Consequences Minimum Wage
[Re: corky]
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If you're averaging $18+ an hour with tips waiting 8 tables are you going to be OK taking a $3 an hour pay cut to wait those same 8 tables?
The good servers will find something else to do as soon as they are able... The servers who were poor or marginal will stay and soak up the $15 and not care about improving their service.
Mike
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Re: Unintended Consequences Minimum Wage
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If an increase in prices results in a decrease of customers, I suspect the most likely change would be to shut their doors. Who benefits from that ? How would doing away with tipping decrease customers? I go out for dinner and spend $40 on the meal. I leave a 20% tip meaning that the total experience cost me $48. Well....the establishment raises their prices by 20% to meet the high wage, I pay the same price. Also the establishment would more than likely become more profitable because the server is working 8 tables. It cost them $15/hr for 1 server for a $64 increase in revenue. In a previous post you said it would lead to an increase in prices. I think that's true. So I was responding to the circumstances you constructed. No tips requires higher minimum wage, which requires higher prices...........leading in turn to fewer customers. I don't think most people would view it as spending the same amount. They would respond to the prices on the menu.
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Re: Unintended Consequences Minimum Wage
[Re: corky]
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I remember the government contract staff in the mess hall when I was in basic... So courteous and eager to please.
Can't wait for that to be the norm.
Mike
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Re: Unintended Consequences Minimum Wage
[Re: white17]
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How would doing away with tipping decrease customers?
I go out for dinner and spend $40 on the meal. I leave a 20% tip meaning that the total experience cost me $48.
Well....the establishment raises their prices by 20% to meet the high wage, I pay the same price. Also the establishment would more than likely become more profitable because the server is working 8 tables. It cost them $15/hr for 1 server for a $64 increase in revenue.
In a previous post you said it would lead to an increase in prices. I think that's true. So I was responding to the circumstances you constructed. No tips requires higher minimum wage, which requires higher prices...........leading in turn to fewer customers. I don't think most people would view it as spending the same amount. They would respond to the prices on the menu. I do think there could be a curve there. When I traveled (feels like another life ago) at first there was sticker shock but after I got used to it and realized that it balances out I preferred it.
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Re: Unintended Consequences Minimum Wage
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I think I'd prefer to keep tipping. It's a direct, immediate reward for work well done. I'm not as anti-tipping as I'm coming across right now. I'm just looking for a good robust debate. The 1 problem I have with tipping are the cheapskates that we are inadvertently subsidizing with our own tips in order to keep decent staff. They are benefiting from the good service they are receiving because the staff are expecting a good tip that decent adults will provide.
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Re: Unintended Consequences Minimum Wage
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Most tips are not included on tax returns, the government does not like losing money from that, so they raise the minimum wage and people don't leave a tip. They want everything traceable. We are spiraling downhill fast That used to be true but not anymore. Tips are tracked and factored in the majority of establishments.
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Re: Unintended Consequences Minimum Wage
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The unions use min wage as part of their wage formula. So the higher the min wage the higher the union wage. So this is just a kick to unions shrouded, just like when they saved the auto unions by claiming to want to save the auto companies.
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Re: Unintended Consequences Minimum Wage
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I think I'd prefer to keep tipping. It's a direct, immediate reward for work well done. I'm not as anti-tipping as I'm coming across right now. I'm just looking for a good robust debate. The 1 problem I have with tipping are the cheapskates that we are inadvertently subsidizing with our own tips in order to keep decent staff. They are benefiting from the good service they are receiving because the staff are expecting a good tip that decent adults will provide. Yes, cheapskates happen. Nothing is perfect. However the government in their infinite wisdom has decided that they are going to burn down the house to get rid of a few mice. Mike
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Re: Unintended Consequences Minimum Wage
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Most tips are not included on tax returns, the government does not like losing money from that, so they raise the minimum wage and people don't leave a tip. They want everything traceable. We are spiraling downhill fast That used to be true but not anymore. Tips are tracked and factored in the majority of establishments. That's partly why some places automatically include the gratuities on the bill
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