Re: Anyone been vaccinated yet?
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Being responsible means not taking a vaccine that isn't FDA approved.
Taking a vaccine that is not vetted, and only "FDA authorized for emergency use" is irresponsible in my book. I believe you have the right to choose whether to get vaccinated or not. I also believe it is incredibly unlikely that the pharmaceutical companies and hundreds of thousands of American medical workers would give a vaccination, for a disease that kills only around 1% of the population that's infected, unless they were sure it was safer for the American population, than not getting vaccinated. Doctors and nurses, by an overwhelming majority, want to help people. They're not perfect, but they are overwhelming good. Keith
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Re: Anyone been vaccinated yet?
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Being responsible means not taking a vaccine that isn't FDA approved.
Taking a vaccine that is not vetted, and only "FDA authorized for emergency use" is irresponsible in my book. I believe you have the right to choose whether to get vaccinated or not. I also believe it is incredibly unlikely that the pharmaceutical companies and hundreds of thousands of American medical workers would give a vaccination, for a disease that kills only around 1% of the population that's infected, unless they were sure it was safer for the American population, than not getting vaccinated. Doctors and nurses, by an overwhelming majority, want to help people. They're not perfect, but they are overwhelming good. Keith Lol....what about all the lawsuits that come out later when such things turn out to be bad for you.
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Re: Anyone been vaccinated yet?
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I assume the anti-vaccine group here are all big Robert Kennedy Jr fans. Although his stance on vaccines causing autism etc etc have been debunked countless times by peer reviewed scientific studies, there are still hundreds of thousands of his followers who refuse all vaccinations.
Just like in other areas, it is amazing to me how much the far left and far right fringe groups share ideology.
My fear of moving stairs is escalating!
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Re: Anyone been vaccinated yet?
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Malpractice has killed lots of innocent people. That should be very alarming to all of us. Plus not held accountable. I just done a search it's 251 thousand annually. It's ok though there just trying to help.
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Re: Anyone been vaccinated yet?
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Nah, It's just no vaccine has used this mechanism of action to protect, and came about without being vetted, or stamped with FDA Approval.
Most of the time if it smells like a rat, it is a rat.
One of the first things they did was make it where you can't sue if something goes wrong....Gee, what's not to fear?
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Re: Anyone been vaccinated yet?
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I assume the anti-vaccine group here are all big Robert Kennedy Jr fans. Although his stance on vaccines causing autism etc etc have been debunked countless times by peer reviewed scientific studies, there are still hundreds of thousands of his followers who refuse all vaccinations.
Just like in other areas, it is amazing to me how much the far left and far right fringe groups share ideology. Amazing how the amish don't get autism
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Re: Anyone been vaccinated yet?
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Vetted = time for research and trials....Many years worth.
Not done with the covid19 vaccines.
I prefer blood letting over leeches, Lol.
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Re: Anyone been vaccinated yet?
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Vetted = time for research and trials....Many years worth.
Not done with the covid19 vaccines.
I prefer blood letting over leeches, Lol. Are you aware that this technology has been in development since 1990 ? The specific virus was just identified a bit under a year ago. Did you expect a vaccine prior to the virus ? The fact that the virus spread so rapidly made it possible to test the vaccines on tens of thousands of people in a short time. That has been the problem in the past....the diseases like MERS and ebola have died out before there could be enough participants to test the vaccines. Fortunately, or unfortunately...........that wasn't the case this time
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Re: Anyone been vaccinated yet?
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Are you aware the vaccines aren't FDA Approved? and they may, just may, have got the cart before the horse in their rush to get the vaccines to market?
I expected the covid 19 vaccines to go through the channels just like all other vaccines.
Roll the dice, but the protection may be worse than the virus in the long run.
Why can't you sue them if something goes wrog?... Why that stipulation if they are so confident?
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Re: Anyone been vaccinated yet?
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I believe you have the right to choose whether to get vaccinated or not. I also believe it is incredibly unlikely that the pharmaceutical companies and hundreds of thousands of American medical workers would give a vaccination, for a disease that kills only around 1% of the population that's infected, unless they were sure it was safer for the American population, than not getting vaccinated. Doctors and nurses, by an overwhelming majority, want to help people. They're not perfect, but they are overwhelming good.
Keith Lol....what about all the lawsuits that come out later when such things turn out to be bad for you. Bruce, you are not grasping that many billions of vaccinations have been given in the last 224 years. People are imperfect. Anytime people do something billions of times there are going to be some errors. The amount of harm done by vaccinations is totally insignificant when compared to the benefit of vaccination. If it wasn't, we would stop vaccinating people. Hundreds of thousands of American doctors, nurses, pharmacists and other medical personnel would not be administering the Covid vaccine if they thought it was more harmful then beneficial. Keith
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Re: Anyone been vaccinated yet?
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Are you aware the vaccines aren't FDA Approved? and they may, just may, have got the cart before the horse in their rush to get the vaccines to market?
I expected the covid 19 vaccines to go through the channels just like all other vaccines.
Roll the dice, but the protection may be worse than the virus in the long run.
Why can't you sue them if something goes wrog?... Why that stipulation if they are so confident? Yes I am aware that the drugs have received emergency use authorization. They have not received full FDA approval. These vaccines DID go through the same processes and trials. No steps were eliminated or shortcuts taken. As I said above the speed with which the virus spreads allowed many more people to participate in the trials. It isn't just this vaccine that is offered without liability. The federal government has done the same in the past. They have even set up federal compensation systems for people injured . Ask yourself...who would produce any vaccine if they were subject to destruction by law suit ?? No one.
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Re: Anyone been vaccinated yet?
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Why haven't the vaccines received full FDA approval if no shotcuts were taken?
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Re: Anyone been vaccinated yet?
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Ask yourself...who would produce any vaccine if they were subject to destruction by law suit ?? No one. Ask yourself if they could still turn a huge profit.
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Re: Anyone been vaccinated yet?
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Wife got hers yesterday, no choice, stay at work with the vaccine or else move on, she is a diabetic plus highly allergic carry's a e-pen all over, Doctor told her to tell them before the shot, they held her for 45 minutes, she was and is still fine afterwards.
My company is probably going to do the same through PPE, force the vaccine for staying on the job you have or if you say no, demote or move you to a singular by yourself job with lower pay !
So much for freedom of choice !
Sorry if my opinions or replies offend you, they are not meant to !
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Re: Anyone been vaccinated yet?
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Ask yourself why several of the companies are making ZERO off these drugs.
Most pharma companies LOSE money on vaccines and make up for it on other drugs.
That's why we foolishly import a lot of our vaccines. Yeah ok
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Re: Anyone been vaccinated yet?
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Wife got hers yesterday, no choice, stay at work with the vaccine or else move on, she is a diabetic plus highly allergic carry's a e-pen all over, Doctor told her to tell them before the shot, they held her for 45 minutes, she was and is still fine afterwards.
My company is probably going to do the same through PPE, force the vaccine for staying on the job you have or if you say no, demote or move you to a singular by yourself job with lower pay !
So much for freedom of choice ! You're not a slave. You still have freedom of choice. You can choose to find other employment that does not require vaccination. With the current low unemployment rates, it's easy to do. Keith
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Re: Anyone been vaccinated yet?
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Ask yourself why several of the companies are making ZERO off these drugs.
Most pharma companies LOSE money on vaccines and make up for it on other drugs.
That's why we foolishly import a lot of our vaccines. I don't think big pharma has lost squat....Why do the covid vaccines not have FDA approval if no shortcuts were taken?
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