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Re: BUYING LIVE IN PACKER COUNTRY! [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7140418
01/16/21 10:21 PM
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I didn't watch but were they kids leaving their "no value" fur or hound hunters?

Re: BUYING LIVE IN PACKER COUNTRY! [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7140529
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It wasn't kids and i don't know if they were hound hunters or trappers. But normally If you see put up fur It's trappers fur. Most dog hunters don't put up fur.


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Re: BUYING LIVE IN PACKER COUNTRY! [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7140617
01/17/21 01:04 AM
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A $2 coon to the seller may be worth $4 to the buyer. When it's only worth $2 to the buyer it has zero value to the seller. At least that's how I interpret it when he says no value.

Someone looking to take advantage of people doesn't post live offerings on the world wide web for everyone to see.. whether I agree with their prices or not, I do appreciate them making an effort to educate and explain with their videos.

Ol dad


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Re: BUYING LIVE IN PACKER COUNTRY! [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7140622
01/17/21 01:14 AM
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A $2 coon to the seller may be worth $4 to the buyer. When it's only worth $2 to the buyer it has zero value to the seller. At least that's how I interpret it when he says no value.


ol' dad- you economics may be right, but that doesn't make it "right" that they take it for nothing. The right thing to do would be to say, "I can make some money on this fur but I can't by giving you something for it. Because of that situation, I can't take it from you." At least that's what my moral code would do. Then again, I'd probably not last long buying fur. Everybody has to figure on what they can get to sleep at night doing to and doing for people.


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Re: BUYING LIVE IN PACKER COUNTRY! [Re: NonPCfed] #7140625
01/17/21 01:20 AM
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It does not take too much for coons from our region to be too dark and in this market that really hurts value at least as GFW grades and buys coon. I am watching closely the rat prices and grading. I plan to sell some in the next couple weeks.

Bryce

Re: BUYING LIVE IN PACKER COUNTRY! [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7140630
01/17/21 01:29 AM
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The trick for selling rats to groney Is to find 15 of your best friends and give them some of your rats to sell. Groney always pays better on small lots then he does large lots.


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Re: BUYING LIVE IN PACKER COUNTRY! [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7140634
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I'd probably not last long buying fur.


I take this part of my statement back because I know at least 2 fur buyers on this forum that simply wouldn't buy certain species when I asked this year. Maybe it was more of a hassle of moving said fur, but maybe they also didn't want to get into a situation where the only way they made money on a pelt was if they got it without paying for it.


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Re: BUYING LIVE IN PACKER COUNTRY! [Re: The Beav] #7140652
01/17/21 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by The Beav
The trick for selling rats to groney Is to find 15 of your best friends and give them some of your rats to sell. Groney always pays better on small lots then he does large lots.



And I would guarantee if you took your best 10- 18" winter rats you would only get 2 $6 for tops.

Re: BUYING LIVE IN PACKER COUNTRY! [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7140655
01/17/21 04:01 AM
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15 .00 for a otter ? Not this guy .


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Re: BUYING LIVE IN PACKER COUNTRY! [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7140657
01/17/21 04:19 AM
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It's simple business, especially processing and retail business. You offer Groeny a fur that HE can only make $5 on, and that's only after he finishes it? What do you think his guys' time is worth to make it sellable? If he can only resell it for $5, and it costs him $5 to process it, then it's zero value at the wholesale table.

My guess is he takes break-even hides on a gamble hoping the market might tick up a little. Obviously other buyers don't want to take that risk with their labor and storage, so they refuse the zeros. That's their choice, but I don't see how it would be unethical for Groeny to accept something that someone offers him for free. You'd probably be more insulted if he offered you 25 cents smile


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Re: BUYING LIVE IN PACKER COUNTRY! [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7140670
01/17/21 05:37 AM
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I like this^^^^ Everybody I saw on the video was offered their fur back when it was of no value to the buyer, that they didn't want it wasn't his fault. At least they don't show anyone throwing it in a garbage can. If you caught an animal with mange would you try to sell it? Same with sub par unfinished fur, these trappers need to learn what fur is to be kept, let go, or disposed of themselves. All part of the learning curve. Sadly in today's marketplace lots of fur has little to no value.


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Re: BUYING LIVE IN PACKER COUNTRY! [Re: bblwi] #7140697
01/17/21 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by bblwi
It does not take too much for coons from our region to be too dark and in this market that really hurts value at least as GFW grades and buys coon. I am watching closely the rat prices and grading. I plan to sell some in the next couple weeks.

Bryce


What’s your rush? I thought you’re supposed to sell into strength. Worldwide mink production is down 90%.

If we keep feeding a ridiculously cheap market things will never improve. And btw a $5 average rat is NOT good money!

The market is “set” carry on

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Re: BUYING LIVE IN PACKER COUNTRY! [Re: KenaiKid] #7140747
01/17/21 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by KenaiKid
It's simple business, especially processing and retail business. You offer Groeny a fur that HE can only make $5 on, and that's only after he finishes it? What do you think his guys' time is worth to make it sellable? If he can only resell it for $5, and it costs him $5 to process it, then it's zero value at the wholesale table.

My guess is he takes break-even hides on a gamble hoping the market might tick up a little. Obviously other buyers don't want to take that risk with their labor and storage, so they refuse the zeros. That's their choice, but I don't see how it would be unethical for Groeny to accept something that someone offers him for free. You'd probably be more insulted if he offered you 25 cents smile



Like I said I don’t fault Groney for this practice. If the trapper lets him keep it that is all on the trapper I personally would not let him keep it.

Re: BUYING LIVE IN PACKER COUNTRY! [Re: ol' dad] #7140765
01/17/21 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by ol' dad
A $2 coon to the seller may be worth $4 to the buyer. When it's only worth $2 to the buyer it has zero value to the seller. At least that's how I interpret it when he says no value.

Someone looking to take advantage of people doesn't post live offerings on the world wide web for everyone to see.. whether I agree with their prices or not, I do appreciate them making an effort to educate and explain with their videos.

Ol dad



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Re: BUYING LIVE IN PACKER COUNTRY! [Re: nimzy] #7140788
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Originally Posted by nimzy


If we keep feeding a ridiculously cheap market things will never improve.



This summarizes the current market perfectly. The strategy of selling local in a down market may come back to bite us all when eventually there is no other market.

Re: BUYING LIVE IN PACKER COUNTRY! [Re: ol' dad] #7140810
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Originally Posted by ol' dad
A $2 coon to the seller may be worth $4 to the buyer. When it's only worth $2 to the buyer it has zero value to the seller. At least that's how I interpret it when he says no value.

Someone looking to take advantage of people doesn't post live offerings on the world wide web for everyone to see.. whether I agree with their prices or not, I do appreciate them making an effort to educate and explain with their videos.

Ol dad


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Re: BUYING LIVE IN PACKER COUNTRY! [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7140830
01/17/21 09:58 AM
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Did anyone believe that those no value yotes... if pulled from the truck would command higher value with another buyer?
I think sometimes we start to believe our own BS... If I brought in a bunch of moldy, put-up wet rats (and I wouldn't) my expectation would not be $4 ea.
I think the disappointment comes from adding value to poor quality fur, skinning, putting it up and being told it's worthless, instead of throwing it away- it must be easier to villainize the buyer when he does.

Re: BUYING LIVE IN PACKER COUNTRY! [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7140876
01/17/21 10:35 AM
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Ya I would of thought the seller would of wiped the mold off.As easy as rats are to put up I don`t know how you could screw that up.

Re: BUYING LIVE IN PACKER COUNTRY! [Re: walleye101] #7141014
01/17/21 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by walleye101
Originally Posted by nimzy


If we keep feeding a ridiculously cheap market things will never improve.



This summarizes the current market perfectly. The strategy of selling local in a down market may come back to bite us all when eventually there is no other market.


You are wasting your breath with this crowd. Mushrooms are shining! Off to make some money, not trapping, again today.

The rest of you boys, enjoy your bonding with nature!

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Re: BUYING LIVE IN PACKER COUNTRY! [Re: GFW - GROENEWOLD] #7141068
01/17/21 01:13 PM
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Sometimes trappers are so dumb and lazy. Wonder why the market will probably not recover in the next few years if ever? In that video, look how many extra hides will hit the market because they were no value and left. 20, 30, 40 a day at his stops. Then how many stops a week x year. All flooded into a crappy market.They aren't even measuring the rats like they do at real fur buyer.

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