Re: Muzzleloader for beginners?
[Re: Wolfdog91]
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My first flintlock was a Lyman Great Plains .54 caliber. Very fast lock and accurate. With a peep site I would consistently clover leaf at 50 yards off the bench. It takes time to find the right patch, load, and ball size (.530 vs .535).
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Re: Muzzleloader for beginners?
[Re: Wolfdog91]
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With the traditions nitrofire all you have to do is put the bullet down the barrel then put the all loaded powder shell in the back and done.
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Re: Muzzleloader for beginners?
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Find yourself a Thompson Center Hawken .50 caliber percussion. Good place to start and work from there. Be careful of who you buy from and make sure the bore has been properly cared for.
Always remember..."First the powder, then the ball. or the dang thing won't fire at all."
Moosetrot This would be where I would start on traditional. If you want more modern go with a TC impact Sb.
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Re: Muzzleloader for beginners?
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Lyman Great Plains 50 cal...percussion or a Hawken 50 cal percussion.....can find some nice used ones. Then you can easy on into the dark side of ( Flintlocks )... Just wait for Green Country Pete to show up with a 2 page report for yah .....
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Re: Muzzleloader for beginners?
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I started with a flinter….Wolfie, as much mechanical ability and love for guns as you have, go ahead and get the flinter.
Your going to end up there anyway, just a matter of time.
Might try a squirrel gun first.....32 to .40 cal....Tennessee Mtn. rifle, with browned poor boy furniture.....Davy Crockett rifle.
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Re: Muzzleloader for beginners?
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I would probably stay 50 cal , it's the most common and easiest to find tools and balls for.
there are basically old US guns , Spanish guns and Italian guns
jungar, traditions , cva are Spanish
Lyman , Euro arms, davide Pendersoli are Italian
Thompson center was made in the USA till they had a fire in 1996 that burned up the hawken/senica , patriot and scout lines later they were purchased by S&W and all of the traditional ML were discontinued.
The thompsons were around in great enough number that you can find them yet
they can all be serviceable guns it depends what your looking for in a ML.
I am less of a brand and guy and more what I can find , and find parts for
there are other "custom" manufactures
there are tang breech , button breech and hook breech
tang you need take a screw out to get the barrel out of the stock , button and hook for ease of cleaning I prefer button and hook , knock out the wedge and lift the barrel and start cleaning
Nessy Im gonna keep it short tonight
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Re: Muzzleloader for beginners?
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I started with a flintlock, a .50 cal Pedersoli Long Rifle, six years ago when our game commission eliminated centerfires from the late deer season and made it primitive weapons only. Caplocks not allowed. Cabela's had them on sale for a good price.
It takes a bit of getting used to but I've managed to kill five deer with it in the last six years. I missed a few too. On the range I can consistently shoot a fist-sized group at 75 yards. That doesn't sound very impressive but it is what it is.
If caplocks were legal in late season I probably would have went that route. I shot a .50 cal Hawken for a few years and killed a decent amount of deer and groundhogs with it.
There's a lot less to deal with caplock vs. flintlock.
I personally wouldn't go the route of a modern in-line muzzleloader, I just don't get the point of those.
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Re: Muzzleloader for beginners?
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Lyman Great Plains 50 cal...percussion or a Hawken 50 cal percussion.....can find some nice used ones. Then you can easy on into the dark side of ( Flintlocks )... Just wait for Green Country Pete to show up with a 2 page report for yah ..... This. TC Hawken and Lyman Great Plains rifles are the Chevrolet and Ford pickups of muzzleloading. There may be others purdyer but these two will get you there. Stay away from flinters till you get things figured out. If you buy used look down in the barrel and be sure it ain't a rust bucket. Don't use any kind of petroleum products for patching .
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Re: Muzzleloader for beginners?
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"muzzle loaders" the people break down into 2 major categories
traditionalists and season extenders a few people are both.
traditionalist are much more likely to get into muzzle loading for the history , pageantry , attending Redevouze and shooting competitions
season extenders heard they could purchase a way to get more days of hunting in a year. they tend to want it simple just tell me what to buy and how to make a round hit a deer and clean just enough as to not ruin my new season extender before next season.
nothing wrong with either just a who are you and what is your reasoning.
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Re: Muzzleloader for beginners?
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"muzzle loaders" the people break down into 2 major categories
traditionalists and season extenders a few people are both.
traditionalist are much more likely to get into muzzle loading for the history , pageantry , attending Redevouze and shooting competitions
season extenders heard they could purchase a way to get more days of hunting in a year. they tend to want it simple just tell me what to buy and how to make a round hit a deer and clean just enough as to not ruin my new season extender before next season.
nothing wrong with either just a who are you and what is your reasoning. Yep put me into the extend your season group
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