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Muzzleloader for beginners? #7143521
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For you guys who did alot if muzzleloader shooting, if somone wanted to get into muzzleloader shooting (traditional ) what would y'all reccomed as far as caliber,ignition,type ( Kentucky,Jeager ect). Kit build or fully built ? And so on ?

Re: Muzzleloader for beginners? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7143529
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Re: Muzzleloader for beginners? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7143546
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Traditions nitrofire 50 caliber muzzleloader.


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Re: Muzzleloader for beginners? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7143552
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My first flintlock was a Lyman Great Plains .54 caliber. Very fast lock and accurate. With a peep site I would consistently clover leaf at 50 yards off the bench. It takes time to find the right patch, load, and ball size (.530 vs .535).

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Re: Muzzleloader for beginners? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7143559
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Find yourself a Thompson Center Hawken .50 caliber percussion. Good place to start and work from there. Be careful of who you buy from and make sure the bore has been properly cared for.

Always remember..."First the powder, then the ball. or the dang thing won't fire at all."

Moosetrot

Re: Muzzleloader for beginners? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7143565
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With the traditions nitrofire all you have to do is put the bullet down the barrel then put the all loaded powder shell in the back and done.


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Re: Muzzleloader for beginners? [Re: Moosetrot] #7143566
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Originally Posted by Moosetrot
Find yourself a Thompson Center Hawken .50 caliber percussion. Good place to start and work from there. Be careful of who you buy from and make sure the bore has been properly cared for.

Always remember..."First the powder, then the ball. or the dang thing won't fire at all."

Moosetrot


This would be where I would start on traditional. If you want more modern go with a TC impact Sb.

Re: Muzzleloader for beginners? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7143600
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Lyman Great Plains 50 cal...percussion or a Hawken 50 cal percussion.....can find some nice used ones. Then you can easy on into the dark side of ( Flintlocks )... Just wait for Green Country Pete to show up with a 2 page report for yah .....


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Re: Muzzleloader for beginners? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7143640
01/18/21 08:33 PM
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I started with a flinter….Wolfie, as much mechanical ability and love for guns as you have, go ahead and get the flinter.

Your going to end up there anyway, just a matter of time.

Might try a squirrel gun first.....32 to .40 cal....Tennessee Mtn. rifle, with browned poor boy furniture.....Davy Crockett rifle.


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Re: Muzzleloader for beginners? [Re: ky_coyote_hunter] #7143660
01/18/21 08:43 PM
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TC Hawken .50 cal percussion gun , plenty of good used ones out there ..
Like someone else said , make sure it has a bright bore ( no pits )
Lots of fun to shoot ..and keep clean ..

Re: Muzzleloader for beginners? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7143687
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I would probably stay 50 cal , it's the most common and easiest to find tools and balls for.

there are basically old US guns , Spanish guns and Italian guns

jungar, traditions , cva are Spanish

Lyman , Euro arms, davide Pendersoli are Italian

Thompson center was made in the USA till they had a fire in 1996 that burned up the hawken/senica , patriot and scout lines later they were purchased by S&W and all of the traditional ML were discontinued.

The thompsons were around in great enough number that you can find them yet

they can all be serviceable guns it depends what your looking for in a ML.

I am less of a brand and guy and more what I can find , and find parts for

there are other "custom" manufactures

there are tang breech , button breech and hook breech

tang you need take a screw out to get the barrel out of the stock , button and hook for ease of cleaning I prefer button and hook , knock out the wedge and lift the barrel and start cleaning



Nessy Im gonna keep it short tonight


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Re: Muzzleloader for beginners? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7143707
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I just got started with a Traditions Deerhunter .50 cal flintlock. It was inexpensive and I've taken two deer with it since Christmas. Great way to get started.

Re: Muzzleloader for beginners? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7143717
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I started with a flintlock, a .50 cal Pedersoli Long Rifle, six years ago when our game commission eliminated centerfires from the late deer season and made it primitive weapons only. Caplocks not allowed. Cabela's had them on sale for a good price.

It takes a bit of getting used to but I've managed to kill five deer with it in the last six years. I missed a few too. On the range I can consistently shoot a fist-sized group at 75 yards. That doesn't sound very impressive but it is what it is.

If caplocks were legal in late season I probably would have went that route. I shot a .50 cal Hawken for a few years and killed a decent amount of deer and groundhogs with it.

There's a lot less to deal with caplock vs. flintlock.

I personally wouldn't go the route of a modern in-line muzzleloader, I just don't get the point of those.


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Re: Muzzleloader for beginners? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7143724
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I’m very partial to TC. A good product and they stand behind it. I have two Hawkins a 50 and a 54. My dad bought the hawkin 50 for me over 30 years ago and it still performs great.

I bought the 54 hawkin 15 years ago at a yard sale for a wall hanger. It was in pretty rough shape. Me being the tinkerer that I am I had to try to get it working. The lock set was seized up. I tore it apart and it was so corroded I couldn’t even identify most of the parts. I contacted tc to inquire about purchasing a replacement lock set and trigger asssembly. After a few email exchanges and me providing them some pictures they informed me that they would be sending me all the parts I needed under warranty and free of charge. I informed them that is was not the original owner and didn’t feel right taking the parts free of charge. They insisted on sending the parts free of charge. Once I received the parts it was not long and the 54 hawkin was back in business.

Re: Muzzleloader for beginners? [Re: Nessmuck] #7143732
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Originally Posted by Nessmuck
Lyman Great Plains 50 cal...percussion or a Hawken 50 cal percussion.....can find some nice used ones. Then you can easy on into the dark side of ( Flintlocks )... Just wait for Green Country Pete to show up with a 2 page report for yah .....


This.

TC Hawken and Lyman Great Plains rifles are the Chevrolet and Ford pickups of muzzleloading. There may be others purdyer but these two will get you there. Stay away from flinters till you get things figured out. If you buy used look down in the barrel and be sure it ain't a rust bucket. Don't use any kind of petroleum products for patching .

Re: Muzzleloader for beginners? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7143734
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I've had many

Just stay away from foreign made trade guns

Lyman 50 caplock
Thompson center 50 Hawken cap lock

Get into it with one of those and you'll be hooked


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Re: Muzzleloader for beginners? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7143742
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"muzzle loaders" the people break down into 2 major categories


traditionalists and season extenders a few people are both.

traditionalist are much more likely to get into muzzle loading for the history , pageantry , attending Redevouze and shooting competitions

season extenders heard they could purchase a way to get more days of hunting in a year. they tend to want it simple just tell me what to buy and how to make a round hit a deer and clean just enough as to not ruin my new season extender before next season.


nothing wrong with either just a who are you and what is your reasoning.


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Re: Muzzleloader for beginners? [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7143749
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
"muzzle loaders" the people break down into 2 major categories


traditionalists and season extenders a few people are both.

traditionalist are much more likely to get into muzzle loading for the history , pageantry , attending Redevouze and shooting competitions

season extenders heard they could purchase a way to get more days of hunting in a year. they tend to want it simple just tell me what to buy and how to make a round hit a deer and clean just enough as to not ruin my new season extender before next season.


nothing wrong with either just a who are you and what is your reasoning.

Yep put me into the extend your season group grin


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Re: Muzzleloader for beginners? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7143752
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I used to Rendezvous
Then I quit that and just hunt now


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Re: Muzzleloader for beginners? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7143766
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Just to stoke that fire Wolfdog.....many have seen this pic...but it Nevah gets old...lol


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