Didn't see anyone calling you that. We are having a civil debate here.

Take a look around the government does do what it wants .

Lol if you ever interacted much with druggies, which I have, or gone to many AA meetings, which I have, you’d know that prison isn’t “rock bottom” for 99 percent of em. Just a speed bump. When druggies talk about rock bottom, they’re talking about when they got high and beat the crud out of their wife and kids and woke up in icu from overdose, then when they get released nobody will pick them up cause they’ve burned all the bridges. When they finally do get home, their family is gone along with all their stuff. That’s a “rock bottom” scenario. Prison is just an inconvenience. And many times they can still get the stuff in prison so it’s not even that.

No avoiding the profanity filter.

I’ve heard a lot of addicts at meetings say “I’m only here because if I don’t come I’ll get arrested again”, they do their mandatory meetings and go about life as usual before prison. A lot of them get busted again for drugs within ten days of release

Beating drugs is tough for many, some only need to see themselves in a mirror.

Yes a lot of them do. I was making a point. However, not all do and prison (not jail) is rock bottom for many. Like everything else, some people just go through the motions but there is no denying that it does help some.

Oregon decriminalized drugs, not legalized them, it’s important to understand the difference. Yes, there are terrible people that use them but there are also scenarios where people function on them. Yes, meth addicts and heroin users likely don’t but don’t think there isn’t more than the odd recreational coke user out there who also goes to work every day, coaches his kids little league team and hosts bbqs for his beer drinking neighbor buddies. Decriminalizing cocaine just means your tax dollars aren’t spent hunting him and keeping him in jail. For the dudes providing it, it’s still illegal.

Sure, some coke heads function. A lot of them don't. We had a problem (still do) in this country awhile back. It was called the "Crack epidemic". Cocaine is not a soft drug.

I never said it was Fin, I also never said it was a good life choice. I’m just pointing out that making them a criminal for it does nothing to help your society. I never said to make it legal to do “illegal things” bc of it, ex impaired driving, theft. Making or keeping it illegal does nothing to stop the using aspect of the behaviour anyways.

Extrapolating on your point.
I hear this argument often and it's convoluted logic. Laws are not a suggestion. It doesn't mean that you probably should not use it or possess it. But I digress, being incarcerated because of it is not really to help the addict or to stop people from using. It is to punish people that use and take these people out of society. I don't see it as a deterrent. How this myth of a deterrent ever came about confuses me. Laws by nature are not a "deterrent" they are rules we live by that, if crossed have, in some cases, serious consequences. By using your convoluted logic, murder should not be illegal because it won't stop someone from doing it.

Given how many resources go to dealing with drug issues by law enforcement and the courts, I guess some don't want the tax relief that would accompany drug legalization.

It costs a lot of public money to try to enforce drug laws. We really could defund the police and courts partway, if drugs were decriminalized.


Jim

100% proof positive that I am correct, James is for legalization. Gee, who would have guessed.

Fin, I felt like despite the difference of opinion you were doing a respectable job of debating but now you’ve compared someone who kills someone else to someone who snorts a line of coke (poor decision) before playing a game of poker. you’re clearly unwilling to accept the decriminalizing and legalizing aren’t the same.

Before bed, you should wonder what “good guy” you know, you also think should go to jail. You know one.

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I think I would be okay if drugs were legal as long as it was also legal to kill people over stuff.

Lawyers

Not what I'm saying at all. Look a little deeper. You are saying that laws are not really a deterrent for drug use correct? People are going to do what they are going to do correct? I simply explained that the laws are not meant as a deterrent but as a punishment. If laws were meant as deterrents, then we would not need laws for anything because people are going to do what they want anyway. I was using murder as an example.

Plus cops and politicians and government employees.

Jim

Please defund the police in the inner cities. PLEASE!!!!

It amazes me how one human can be wrong in every aspect of thinking, every single time and live to be as old as James.