Re: Muzzleloader for beginners?
[Re: ky_coyote_hunter]
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That a Durs Egg lock on that flintah Nessie? Yes Sah ! She’s quick too !
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Re: Muzzleloader for beginners?
[Re: Wolfdog91]
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01/18/21 09:58 PM
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Great lock, and great looking longrifle!....Love the wood figure in that stock.
I always thought the Durs Egg was the classiest lock.
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Re: Muzzleloader for beginners?
[Re: 330-Trapper]
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01/18/21 10:17 PM
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I've had many
Just stay away from foreign made trade guns
Lyman 50 caplock Thompson center 50 Hawken cap lock
Get into it with one of those and you'll be hooked
Yup! Can't go wrong here.
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Re: Muzzleloader for beginners?
[Re: Wolfdog91]
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01/19/21 12:04 AM
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For you guys who did alot if muzzleloader shooting, if somone wanted to get into muzzleloader shooting (traditional ) what would y'all reccomed as far as caliber,ignition,type ( Kentucky,Jeager ect). Kit build or fully built ? And so on ? Caliber will depend on what you want to do with it... .32 and .36 are good for small game and are cheap to shoot. But if you want to shoot any appreciable distance they lose energy pretty quick. Several states (mine included) will allow .40 cal to hunt deer, but I think .45 is the minimum I would feel comfortable using. .50 is pretty much the standard with the most available tools and ammo. .54 is a close second to the .50 in popularity... You can go up from there to bigger calibers with your powder budget and recoil sensitivity being your limit. But basically .45, .50, and .54 are the most popular and the easiest to find stuff for. Ignition: flint or percussion. Your choice. Flint is actually very reliable if you're willing to put in a little more effort. Type: This is purely up to you... Jaeger, Longrifle, Plains/Mountain, military musket, etc... Jaegers and Plains/Mountain guns tend to be larger in caliber than the longrifle (Kentucky) but they can overlap... Lots of .54 Kentucky rifles out there. Off the shelf, Kit, or custom built: It's your money and "you get what you pay for" applies. A custom build is expensive but it will be built to your specs... Caliber, accessories, length of pull, etc... Plus a well built custom, with proper care, will be an heirloom. Figure out what you like and what you want and start exploring your options. Feel free to PM if you have anymore questions. Mike
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Re: Muzzleloader for beginners?
[Re: Wolfdog91]
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01/19/21 07:07 PM
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I'd take a look at the traditions line and if its something you like you can Upgrade 50 cal. #11 or musket caps most are fast twist nowdays so patched roundball will only shoot with less then 50 grain loads but you'll be able to shoot sabots
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Re: Muzzleloader for beginners?
[Re: Bruce T]
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01/19/21 08:42 PM
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With the traditions nitrofire all you have to do is put the bullet down the barrel then put the all loaded powder shell in the back and done. That is far from a traditional muzzleloader. Those are fast becoming like the Bow and crossbow debate. I don't have one or want one. I can see they would be easy to load. But kinda rough to call them a 100% muzzle loader. But in Michigan the deer seasons are all blurred now with weapon options.They look interesting though. Disclaimer, I do shoot a crossbow, and have and prefer a #11 ignited cap lock. But a flinter is on my want list.
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Re: Muzzleloader for beginners?
[Re: jeff karsten]
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I'd take a look at the traditions line and if its something you like you can Upgrade 50 cal. #11 or musket caps most are fast twist nowdays so patched roundball will only shoot with less then 50 grain loads but you'll be able to shoot sabots My 1:48, .50 shoots patched round balls pretty darn good with 80 to 90 grains.
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Re: Muzzleloader for beginners?
[Re: Bruce T]
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What I'm getting this summer a bunch of money , they aren't even legal here yet, may never be, they may never catch on in enough places to keep around , It would not surprise me if in 10 years it is non existent at all I don't ever see 209 ignition as going away , may or may not be legal everywhere but it is legal in a lot of places musket caps and #11 have been around since 1840 and a person could easily buy a lifetime supply of them , the #11 are popular enough I think they will be around a good while longer. I only wish I had bought 5K caps when they were 30-35 dollars for 1K now at 55-65 dollars a K I still need to get a few more.
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Re: Muzzleloader for beginners?
[Re: Feedinggrounds]
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01/20/21 04:31 AM
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With the traditions nitrofire all you have to do is put the bullet down the barrel then put the all loaded powder shell in the back and done. That is far from a traditional muzzleloader. Those are fast becoming like the Bow and crossbow debate. I don't have one or want one. I can see they would be easy to load. But kinda rough to call them a 100% muzzle loader. But in Michigan the deer seasons are all blurred now with weapon options.They look interesting though. Disclaimer, I do shoot a crossbow, and have and prefer a #11 ignited cap lock. But a flinter is on my want list. It's all about more hunting time to me.The gun is just the tool to shoot the deer with.Should be very easy for a beginner to load.......lol just looked back at original post.I had only looked at the headline ..Muzzleloader for a beginner.I did not see in parentheses in the post itself (traditional). My apologies.
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Re: Muzzleloader for beginners?
[Re: Don Adams]
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01/20/21 05:27 AM
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As good as you are with your hands - you should build you a Flintlock Southern Mountain Rifle Jim Kibler sells kits and if I can put one together - anyone can. He has videos online showing each step on the building of the SMR (Southern Mountain Rifle). Since you are down there in Mississippi, not sure what your laws are for calibers. You might check that out first. I chose a .45 caliber for my area and I have the equipment for that caliber already. If I build another one of Jim Kibler's kits, it will be a .40 caliber. Nice work Don! Mike
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Re: Muzzleloader for beginners?
[Re: Moosetrot]
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01/20/21 07:36 AM
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If anyone has a source for RWS #11's or RWS musket caps I would like to know about it.
Moosetrot Midway had them last week.
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Re: Muzzleloader for beginners?
[Re: Wolfdog91]
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01/20/21 08:20 AM
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Tastes Like Chicken from this sight had/made the coolest. He told me my TC-K Hawkin was junk. I miss him and his brutal honesty.
One thing I learned, my .50 likes 3f much better than 2f Well two things lol. When I got a load stuck in there, I removed nipple, screwed in a zerc, and pumped it out with grease gun.
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Re: Muzzleloader for beginners?
[Re: Wolfdog91]
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01/20/21 08:47 AM
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Wright, I double loaded mine at the beginning of this season. (I'm old and had a brain fart).
I took it out to the shop, took took the vent screw out, stuck a blow gun with the rubber nozzle and shot it out with about 90 psi. I didn't need that much. One of the balls put a 1/2" dent in the side of my workbench.
It's a lot less messy than the grease method.
Eh...wot?
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