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Re: Medical Marijuana and 2nd Amendment ??? [Re: OhioBoy] #7145882
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Just Say No itself was but it was all part of the overall War on Drugs the Regans had going at which time they were making the coke flights fairly freely at will was my point.

Re: Medical Marijuana and 2nd Amendment ??? [Re: OhioBoy] #7145893
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Originally Posted by OhioBoy
Just Say No itself was but it was all part of the overall War on Drugs the Regans had going at which time they were making the coke flights fairly freely at will was my point.


It would have worked except you specifically named Nancy. Perhaps you should have just went with “The Reagan Administration.”


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Re: Medical Marijuana and 2nd Amendment ??? [Re: FairbanksLS] #7146064
01/20/21 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by white dog
Please tell us how you have benefitted from the war on drugs.


Less drugs.Now if the low life layers who stop getting druggies off and the dumb judges would actually hand out sentences instead of the slaps on the hands and reduced sentences we could actually win.


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Re: Medical Marijuana and 2nd Amendment ??? [Re: OhioBoy] #7146065
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Re: Medical Marijuana and 2nd Amendment ??? [Re: OhioBoy] #7146068
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Get rid of the drugs.Anyone caught selling drugs 50 years in prison.No its ands or buts.End of problem.


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Re: Medical Marijuana and 2nd Amendment ??? [Re: OhioBoy] #7146075
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It Will never end... too many people tasted the poison.

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Re: Medical Marijuana and 2nd Amendment ??? [Re: OhioBoy] #7146079
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Need strong judges that will do something for sentences and have strong sentences and it will work.


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Re: Medical Marijuana and 2nd Amendment ??? [Re: OhioBoy] #7146084
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Re: Medical Marijuana and 2nd Amendment ??? [Re: OhioBoy] #7146087
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Then this country is toast.


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Re: Medical Marijuana and 2nd Amendment ??? [Re: OhioBoy] #7146088
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Re: Medical Marijuana and 2nd Amendment ??? [Re: Bruce T] #7146089
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Originally Posted by Bruce T
Get rid of the drugs.Anyone caught selling drugs 50 years in prison.No its ands or buts.End of problem.


I wonder what the stats would say about the effectiveness of harsher penalties. China might be an interesting study. I believe you're facing a death penalty on conviction for drug trafficking in China. And I doubt it's kangaroo court there like our N. American system of justice can tend to be.

Re: Medical Marijuana and 2nd Amendment ??? [Re: OhioBoy] #7146141
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Until alcohol is made illegal those who oppose the recreational use of weed don't have a leg to stand on. Anybody with half a brain should be able to understand that. At least I do.


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Re: Medical Marijuana and 2nd Amendment ??? [Re: James] #7146155
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Originally Posted by James
Given how many resources go to dealing with drug issues by law enforcement and the courts, I guess some don't want the tax relief that would accompany drug legalization.

It costs a lot of public money to try to enforce drug laws. We really could defund the police and courts partway, if drugs were decriminalized.


Jim


Hows that lack of police and prosecution treating places like Seattle, Portland and Minneapolis? Scum filled liberal driven into the ground cities. Are you ok then when one of the junkies you want out in the street breaks into your house and steals your guns? The cops wont respond or investigate because you want them “defunded”.

Re: Medical Marijuana and 2nd Amendment ??? [Re: OhioBoy] #7146169
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If Weed Is Medicine, So Is Budweiser
Legalize marijuana, but don’t pretend it’s therapeutic.
By Peter B. Bach
Jan. 17, 2019 7:23 pm ET



Ten states and the District of Columbia have legalized recreational marijuana use, and another eight look likely to do so in 2019. I favor the move but am troubled by the gateway to it: All these jurisdictions first passed laws permitting the use of “medical” marijuana. We should set the record straight, lest young people (and old ones) think marijuana is good for you because it is wrongly labeled a medication.

Actual medicines have research behind them, enumerating their benefits, characterizing their harms, and ensuring the former supersedes the latter. Marijuana doesn’t. It’s a toxin, not a medicine. It impairs judgment and driving ability. It increases the risk of psychosis and schizophrenia. Smoking it damages the respiratory tract. A 2017 report from the National Academy of Medicine called the evidence for these harms “substantial.”

Claims that marijuana relieves pain may be true. But the clinical studies that have been done compare it with a placebo, not even a pain reliever like ibuprofen. That’s not the type of rigorous evaluation we pursue for medications. What’s more, every intoxicant would pass that sort of test because you don’t experience pain as acutely when you are high. If weed is a pain reliever, so is Budweiser.

Some advocates say marijuana is better than opiates for pain. Yet while opiates have risks, there are no studies comparing them to marijuana, and untested claims in medicine don’t get the benefit of the doubt. Testing such a hypothesis often disproves it.


Decades ago, several studies suggested that marijuana might relieve nausea in chemotherapy patients. But again most compared it with a placebo, while a few compared it with older nausea treatments not used today. None were very convincing. More important, no study has compared marijuana to today’s Neurokinin-1 antagonists. While such treatments are sometimes ineffective, that shortcoming doesn’t impart efficacy on marijuana either.

In writing medical-marijuana laws, state lawmakers and initiative authors have gone well beyond pain and nausea control, lauding the plant as an effective treatment for a long list of conditions, including hepatitis, Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s. Beyond the lack of data, what these conditions have in common isn’t biology, but modern medicine’s failure to treat them satisfactorily. Heartbreaking as that is, marijuana isn’t the answer.

Advocates like to note that cannabidiol, an extract of the plant, is an approved medication for epilepsy. But medicine from a plant does not make the plant medicine. Google “foxglove,” the plant from which the cardiac drug digitalis is derived. First hits show its pretty flower, but soon you get the number for poison control.

Marijuana belongs in the same category as alcohol and tobacco—harmful products that adults can choose to enjoy. The liquor company Constellation Brands and tobacco conglomerate Altria Group agree. Both have recently acquired large stakes in marijuana producers.

Decades passed before we took on smoking and drinking with education, labeling and other forms of regulation. But it worked, and deaths from lung cancer, heart disease and alcohol-associated accidents are in sharp decline. We need this same approach with marijuana. Acknowledging that it is not a medicine is a necessary first step.

Dr. Bach is a pulmonary physician at Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center in New York. He directs the Center for Health Policy and Outcomes.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/if-weed-is-medicine-so-is-budweiser-11547770981


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Re: Medical Marijuana and 2nd Amendment ??? [Re: OhioBoy] #7146178
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Re: Medical Marijuana and 2nd Amendment ??? [Re: OhioBoy] #7146197
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And what stood in the way of testing. Could it be that it could have been grown by the end user with no profit to the drug companies.


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Re: Medical Marijuana and 2nd Amendment ??? [Re: FairbanksLS] #7146213
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Originally Posted by white dog
And what stood in the way of testing. Could it be that it could have been grown by the end user with no profit to the drug companies.


List of states that allow growing Pot for personal use

There you go.


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Re: Medical Marijuana and 2nd Amendment ??? [Re: Bruce T] #7146228
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Originally Posted by Bruce T
Get rid of the drugs.Anyone caught selling drugs 50 years in prison.No its ands or buts.End of problem.

That'd be a good way to get rid of murders too. Wonder why prisons are 150% capacity..


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Re: Medical Marijuana and 2nd Amendment ??? [Re: Gary Benson] #7146231
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Originally Posted by Gary Benson
Originally Posted by Bruce T
Get rid of the drugs.Anyone caught selling drugs 50 years in prison.No its ands or buts.End of problem.

That'd be a good way to get rid of murders too. Wonder why prisons are 150% capacity..

Build a wall around California and throw them all over the wall.


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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
Originally Posted by white dog
And what stood in the way of testing. Could it be that it could have been grown by the end user with no profit to the drug companies.


List of states that allow growing Pot for personal use

There you go.


Are you planning on doing your own testing? It's still federally illegal.


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