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Re: Medical Marijuana and 2nd Amendment ??? [Re: FairbanksLS] #7146242
01/20/21 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by white dog
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Are you planning on doing your own testing? It's still federally illegal.


I’ve done all the testing I needed to do.


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Re: Medical Marijuana and 2nd Amendment ??? [Re: OhioBoy] #7146283
01/20/21 12:46 PM
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If you make pot illegal, you have to make alcohol illegal. Alcohol is responsible for more deaths in one day in the USA than has ever been attributed to weed. Alcohol is addictive, causes people to behave erratically, impairs motor function. Full disclosure, I’ve done both, and guess which one nearly ruined my life? Yup, alcohol. Gues which one I was addicted to? Alcohol again.


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Re: Medical Marijuana and 2nd Amendment ??? [Re: Bob] #7146288
01/20/21 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob
If you make pot illegal, you have to make alcohol illegal. Alcohol is responsible for more deaths in one day in the USA than has ever been attributed to weed. Alcohol is addictive, causes people to behave erratically, impairs motor function. Full disclosure, I’ve done both, and guess which one nearly ruined my life? Yup, alcohol. Gues which one I was addicted to? Alcohol again.

Might as well make smoking cigarettes illegal as well.


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Re: Medical Marijuana and 2nd Amendment ??? [Re: white17] #7146305
01/20/21 12:57 PM
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Right but the majority of supporters see pot as a natural alternative to lab created medicine and eatables not smoking as a healthier alternative if they have success with it.

i.e. treat pain with Oxy or a pot gummy.
i.e. treat sleep deprivation with Ambien or a pot gummy.
i.e. treat depression with Prozac or a pot gummy.
i.e. treat cancer pain and eating issues with big pharma or a pot gummy.

I think I am pro "Marijuana belongs in the same category as alcohol and tobacco" and that seems it would resolve the 2nd A problems also.



Originally Posted by white17

If Weed Is Medicine, So Is Budweiser
Legalize marijuana, but don’t pretend it’s therapeutic.
By Peter B. Bach
Jan. 17, 2019 7:23 pm ET



Ten states and the District of Columbia have legalized recreational marijuana use, and another eight look likely to do so in 2019. I favor the move but am troubled by the gateway to it: All these jurisdictions first passed laws permitting the use of “medical” marijuana. We should set the record straight, lest young people (and old ones) think marijuana is good for you because it is wrongly labeled a medication.

Actual medicines have research behind them, enumerating their benefits, characterizing their harms, and ensuring the former supersedes the latter. Marijuana doesn’t. It’s a toxin, not a medicine. It impairs judgment and driving ability. It increases the risk of psychosis and schizophrenia. Smoking it damages the respiratory tract. A 2017 report from the National Academy of Medicine called the evidence for these harms “substantial.”

Claims that marijuana relieves pain may be true. But the clinical studies that have been done compare it with a placebo, not even a pain reliever like ibuprofen. That’s not the type of rigorous evaluation we pursue for medications. What’s more, every intoxicant would pass that sort of test because you don’t experience pain as acutely when you are high. If weed is a pain reliever, so is Budweiser.

Some advocates say marijuana is better than opiates for pain. Yet while opiates have risks, there are no studies comparing them to marijuana, and untested claims in medicine don’t get the benefit of the doubt. Testing such a hypothesis often disproves it.


Decades ago, several studies suggested that marijuana might relieve nausea in chemotherapy patients. But again most compared it with a placebo, while a few compared it with older nausea treatments not used today. None were very convincing. More important, no study has compared marijuana to today’s Neurokinin-1 antagonists. While such treatments are sometimes ineffective, that shortcoming doesn’t impart efficacy on marijuana either.

In writing medical-marijuana laws, state lawmakers and initiative authors have gone well beyond pain and nausea control, lauding the plant as an effective treatment for a long list of conditions, including hepatitis, Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s. Beyond the lack of data, what these conditions have in common isn’t biology, but modern medicine’s failure to treat them satisfactorily. Heartbreaking as that is, marijuana isn’t the answer.

Advocates like to note that cannabidiol, an extract of the plant, is an approved medication for epilepsy. But medicine from a plant does not make the plant medicine. Google “foxglove,” the plant from which the cardiac drug digitalis is derived. First hits show its pretty flower, but soon you get the number for poison control.

Marijuana belongs in the same category as alcohol and tobacco—harmful products that adults can choose to enjoy. The liquor company Constellation Brands and tobacco conglomerate Altria Group agree. Both have recently acquired large stakes in marijuana producers.

Decades passed before we took on smoking and drinking with education, labeling and other forms of regulation. But it worked, and deaths from lung cancer, heart disease and alcohol-associated accidents are in sharp decline. We need this same approach with marijuana. Acknowledging that it is not a medicine is a necessary first step.

Dr. Bach is a pulmonary physician at Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center in New York. He directs the Center for Health Policy and Outcomes.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/if-weed-is-medicine-so-is-budweiser-11547770981

Re: Medical Marijuana and 2nd Amendment ??? [Re: OhioBoy] #7146330
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Re: Medical Marijuana and 2nd Amendment ??? [Re: 330-Trapper] #7146343
01/20/21 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by 330-Trapper
Its Mother Earth Man!!!!

Lol....All I can think of is Cheech & Chong grin


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Re: Medical Marijuana and 2nd Amendment ??? [Re: 330-Trapper] #7146744
01/20/21 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 330-Trapper
Its Mother Earth Man!!!!


So is cyanide.


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