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Re: Gun Guys, Winchester Model 12 Value [Re: lestan101] #7146919
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Originally Posted by lestan101
Winchester sent most of their trap guns out to be fixed up. The one I sold was done in Olathe I think Kansas. I believe there was three places that did the work for them. Olathe and St. Louis was two of them I think. It should say on your gun where it was done.


Olathe Kansas is where the Simmons vent ribs were manufactured as well. At least that is what is stamped on the rib.


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Re: Gun Guys, Winchester Model 12 Value [Re: Lugnut] #7146940
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Olathe Kansas is where the Simmons vent ribs were manufactured as well. At least that is what is stamped on the rib.
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Yep they manufactured the ribs and did the work for winchester there.

Re: Gun Guys, Winchester Model 12 Value [Re: Lugnut] #7146968
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
I am planning on selling a gun in my collection.

It's a 1953 Winchester Model 12 Super Field Grade. Modified choke, matte vent rib, 28" barrel, fancy grade walnut with checkered fore grip and pistol grip stock. It has an adjustable butt pad on it. I have the original buttplate.

What do you guys think it is worth.

I've been looking at online auctions but prices are all over the place.

This is not a pic of mine but mine is nearly identical.

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What gauge is it ?

Re: Gun Guys, Winchester Model 12 Value [Re: Lugnut] #7146979
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All Deluxe/Super Field guns were solid rib guns and were built between very late '54 early '55 to '59. As mentioned they were marketed to use up the last of the solid rib barrels. They were offered in 12, 16, 20, and 28 gauge in any choke desired WS1, WS2, Cyl, IC, Mod, IMod (rare), and Full. I have one in WS2, absolutely devastating on any bird you want to shoot at. One question I would like to see answered is where are the receiver and barrel proof marks located. I would also like to see a picture of the whole checkered panel on the pistol grip. Is the rib a 2 pin or a 3 pin.

I have over 2 dozen of them in all 4 gauges including an unfired 28 gauge solid rib skeet gun. It is in the box never having been assembled with all the hang tags, info papers, and original bill of sale. Another question I have is what is the serial number (minus the last 4 digits of course).

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Re: Gun Guys, Winchester Model 12 Value [Re: Lugnut] #7147011
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I listed my model 12 trap gun this past summer and had no interest in it. I finally pulled it and just put it back in the safe. The BOOK says they are worth a bundle but what people will actually pay may be a different story.


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Re: Gun Guys, Winchester Model 12 Value [Re: Lugnut] #7147053
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
I am planning on selling a gun in my collection.

It's a 1953 Winchester Model 12 Super Field Grade. Modified choke, matte vent rib, 28" barrel, fancy grade walnut with checkered fore grip and pistol grip stock. It has an adjustable butt pad on it. I have the original buttplate.

What do you guys think it is worth.

I've been looking at online auctions but prices are all over the place.

This is not a pic of mine but mine is nearly identical.

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Two years ago I sold a 1949 vent rib M12 trap. The prices on M12's have really dropped. I was able to get $850 for mine and it sat in an OH gun shop for almost a year before it sold. I also have a very good condition field grade 1930's gun that I can't get $300 for. It was for sale in a shop for two years and didn't sell so I brought it home.

Re: Gun Guys, Winchester Model 12 Value [Re: Paul D. Heppner] #7147059
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Originally Posted by Paul D. Heppner
All Deluxe/Super Field guns were solid rib guns and were built between very late '54 early '55 to '59. As mentioned they were marketed to use up the last of the solid rib barrels. They were offered in 12, 16, 20, and 28 gauge in any choke desired WS1, WS2, Cyl, IC, Mod, IMod (rare), and Full. I have one in WS2, absolutely devastating on any bird you want to shoot at. One question I would like to see answered is where are the receiver and barrel proof marks located. I would also like to see a picture of the whole checkered panel on the pistol grip. Is the rib a 2 pin or a 3 pin.

I have over 2 dozen of them in all 4 gauges including an unfired 28 gauge solid rib skeet gun. It is in the box never having been assembled with all the hang tags, info papers, and original bill of sale. Another question I have is what is the serial number (minus the last 4 digits of course).


Hey Paul, I was hoping you'd see this.

The Rib (stamped Simmons Gun Specialties Inc. Olathe, Kansas). Idon't know what you mean by two pin or three pin.

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No proofs on the receiver that I can see. Only the serial number on the bottom front. These are the only markings I can find on the barrel.

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The checkered panel on the pistol grip.

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The serial number minus the last four is 137. That's makes it a 1952 or 1953 from what I could find out.

The stock and aftermarket butt pad.

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Re: Gun Guys, Winchester Model 12 Value [Re: Lugnut] #7147067
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The "proofs" should be stamped on the underside of the barrel if you you take it off the receiver. Ps. that stock appears to be Turkish Circassian wood.
NICE!

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Re: Gun Guys, Winchester Model 12 Value [Re: Lugnut] #7147073
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Lug, that could be one of my old guns. I had two, mine were field guns that had trap wood added and were sent to simmons for a vent rib. I bought and sold them for about $200 back in the 1970's.

Re: Gun Guys, Winchester Model 12 Value [Re: Lugnut] #7147077
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Morgan recoil pad.


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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Re: Gun Guys, Winchester Model 12 Value [Re: SJA] #7147079
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Originally Posted by SJA
The "proofs" should be stamped on the underside of the barrel if you you take it off the receiver. Ps. that stock appears to be Turkish Caucasian wood.
NICE!



all that I have seen with factory ribs had the proof mark on top of the barrel beside the rib. I could take a photo and post it here but I'm to lazy. I do have a 16 mat rib that I have used since the 1960's.

Re: Gun Guys, Winchester Model 12 Value [Re: Lugnut] #7147082
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Re: Gun Guys, Winchester Model 12 Value [Re: Lugnut] #7147086
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Sorry, was thinking drinking doubles. grin

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Re: Gun Guys, Winchester Model 12 Value [Re: Law Dog] #7147088
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Originally Posted by Law Dog
Morgan recoil pad.


Yes, Morgan Adjustable recoil pad.


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Originally Posted by SJA
Sorry, was thinking doubles. grin


Well I'm glad I didn't disassemble it then. laugh


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Re: Gun Guys, Winchester Model 12 Value [Re: Lugnut] #7147104
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
I am planning on selling a gun in my collection.

It's a 1953 Winchester Model 12 Super Field Grade. Modified choke, matte vent rib, 28" barrel, fancy grade walnut with checkered fore grip and pistol grip stock. It has an adjustable butt pad on it. I have the original buttplate.

What do you guys think it is worth.

I've been looking at online auctions but prices are all over the place.

This is not a pic of mine but mine is nearly identical.

[Linked Image]




When you set a price let a guy know. Do the serial numbers match?


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Yes, barrel and receiver numbers match.


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Re: Gun Guys, Winchester Model 12 Value [Re: Lugnut] #7147116
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
Yes, barrel and receiver numbers match.


That's one of the things that a lot of the old Model 12's don't have anymore. Over the years people have pieced them together. The matching barrel/receiver increases the value. I am always looking for Model 12's. I never shoot them for trap but there's something about them that make them special.


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Re: Gun Guys, Winchester Model 12 Value [Re: Lugnut] #7147119
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I should of bought them when I was young but I never like the way they fit me so I passed on a pile of them. frown

Re: Gun Guys, Winchester Model 12 Value [Re: Lugnut] #7147122
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She's a beauty. I have a 16 which was my great grandfather's. Short plain barrel in Full choke. Someone mentioned it might have been a trench gun. I need to do more research.

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