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Re: Poacher busted [Re: BernieB.] #7148114
01/21/21 02:21 PM
01/21/21 02:21 PM
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Northern Mn
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Too bad greed turned Skip into poaching the off limit buck,I dont know the laws of Texas,but a few days ago you were talking about javalina pig hunting and tossing them in the brush.I've ate javalina in AZ it was ok table fare,does Texas not have a wanton waste law?

Re: Poacher busted [Re: rick olson] #7148119
01/21/21 02:22 PM
01/21/21 02:22 PM
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Northern Minnesota
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Originally Posted by rick olson
Too bad greed turned Skip into poaching the off limit buck,I dont know the laws of Texas,but a few days ago you were talking about javalina pig hunting and tossing them in the brush.I've ate javalina in AZ it was ok table fare,does Texas not have a wanton waste law?


Not on Javelina or coyotes.

Re: Poacher busted [Re: BernieB.] #7148142
01/21/21 02:46 PM
01/21/21 02:46 PM
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Texas style hunting has come to Colorado. Super wealthy buying up tens of thousands of acres and creating a family hunting compound and keeping the locals off. Putting out food plots, enhanced feeders, and manipulating the gene pool. Never cared for this type of hunting, Au natural is more my to my liking. Hunting in this state is mostly all about $$$$ now.

Re: Poacher busted [Re: BernieB.] #7148145
01/21/21 02:48 PM
01/21/21 02:48 PM
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Northern Maine
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Not good at all.


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Re: Poacher busted [Re: BernieB.] #7148146
01/21/21 02:49 PM
01/21/21 02:49 PM
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Minnesota
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Again...TETO


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Re: Poacher busted [Re: BernieB.] #7148218
01/21/21 04:09 PM
01/21/21 04:09 PM
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MN, Land of 10,000 Lakes
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Originally Posted by BernieB.
Originally Posted by Trapper7
Was this just a code that was established or actually something in writing posted that protected the buck? If not, how could he be referred to as a poacher? Some of the other things he did were a violation of the laws in the state of Texas such as crossing state lines, not checking the deer in where he supposed to, etc. Had he done that maybe the punishment might not have been so severe. The fact that he didn't tells me that he knew he was guilty and the shooting probably wasn't accidental. He knew this was a protected buck before or after he shot it?


If he had shot the buck and legally tagged it, he would have been kicked off the lease and would not get his $12,000 refunded. That's it... nothing illegal. He knowingly killed a buck that was off limits and rather than risk the humiliation, he illegally removed the antlers from the ranch (threw the meat in the brush) and took it across state lines.

Then, he got everything coming to him in the way of fines, etc. Sounds like he planned this since he waited to be the only one on the property. Wanton waste should have been an issue as well.


I don't care how nice the hand soap smells, you should never walk out of the restroom sniffing your fingers.
Re: Poacher busted [Re: BernieB.] #7148223
01/21/21 04:14 PM
01/21/21 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by BernieB.
Originally Posted by grapestomper
Sounds like if he had a land tag put on he would have been legal.


Yes he would have, but he would have been kicked off the ranch and forfeited the $12,000 he paid for the lease.


I missed the part about the $12,000.00 I figured he would have been kicked out.
His buddies would have given him a beat down I am guessing also.

Re: Poacher busted [Re: BernieB.] #7148225
01/21/21 04:17 PM
01/21/21 04:17 PM
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Crazy he didn't just tag the deer been legal and just be done with the place.


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Re: Poacher busted [Re: BernieB.] #7148234
01/21/21 04:25 PM
01/21/21 04:25 PM
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He was disrespectful and dishonest in killing the buck, but he didn’t cross the line into poaching until he left the carcass and transported the antlers. Morally he’s in the wrong no matter which way you slice it, legally if he’d have tagged it he woulda been fine. I wouldn’t want him in my hunting group either way.


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Re: Poacher busted [Re: BernieB.] #7148236
01/21/21 04:27 PM
01/21/21 04:27 PM
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Northern Maine
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Fair enough I wouldn't be in such a hunting group to begin with.


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Re: Poacher busted [Re: Bruce T] #7148239
01/21/21 04:29 PM
01/21/21 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Bruce T
Crazy he didn't just tag the deer been legal and just be done with the place.

He is a jerk.Shooting a deer that many others would have loved to shoot,but passed up because they had an agreement.A man is only as good as his word.


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Re: Poacher busted [Re: upstateNY] #7148245
01/21/21 04:33 PM
01/21/21 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by upstateNY
Originally Posted by Bruce T
Crazy he didn't just tag the deer been legal and just be done with the place.

He is a jerk.Shooting a deer that many others would have loved to shoot,but passed up because they had an agreement.A man is only as good as his word.

I would never hunt such a place with those rules myself to begin with.I am not going to pay $12,000 anywhere and be told I can't shoot what I want.


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Re: Poacher busted [Re: Diggerman] #7148248
01/21/21 04:36 PM
01/21/21 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Diggerman
Its a deer, with horns no less. Some one spent ALOT of money to get ole Skip in hot water. The thing here is that he violated the trust of fellow hunters, thats unforgivable.


I'd say a blot on his soul but not unforgiveable. We all have blots.

Re: Poacher busted [Re: BernieB.] #7148253
01/21/21 04:38 PM
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I stopped deer hunting when the rifle hunter complained about the youth season, the bow hunter complained about the squirrel and rabbit hunters, then the black powder guys complained about the long seasons the bow hunter have. I was always a meat hunter. Still see a lot of deer laying along the hi-ways. In 2018 there were 53,454 accident involving deer.


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Re: Poacher busted [Re: Getting There] #7148255
01/21/21 04:40 PM
01/21/21 04:40 PM
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Northern Maine
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Originally Posted by Getting There
I stopped deer hunting when the rifle hunter complained about the youth season, the bow hunter complained about the squirrel and rabbit hunters, then the black powder guys complained about the long seasons the bow hunter have. I was always a meat hunter. Still see a lot of deer laying along the hi-ways. In 2018 there were 53,454 accident involving deer.

Why stop hunting?The heck with them.


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Re: Poacher busted [Re: Getting There] #7148267
01/21/21 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Getting There
I was always a meat hunter.


I've never laid in bed dreaming about venison, it's the antlers that keep me awake at night. You're right about the conflict of interests we squabble about. I'm also a bowhunter, been doing it since the mid eighties but it's hard to convince some fellow bow guys deer hunting with a rifle where I'm at is more challenging than bowhunting deer where they're at. It's all perspective.

Re: Poacher busted [Re: BernieB.] #7148276
01/21/21 04:47 PM
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Yep much harder up here in northern Maine with a rifle then bow hunting Conn.,Pa,Virginia, etc.


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Re: Poacher busted [Re: Posco] #7148304
01/21/21 04:56 PM
01/21/21 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Posco
Originally Posted by Diggerman
Its a deer, with horns no less. Some one spent ALOT of money to get ole Skip in hot water. The thing here is that he violated the trust of fellow hunters, thats unforgivable.


I'd say a blot on his soul but not unforgiveable. We all have blots.

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Re: Poacher busted [Re: BernieB.] #7148350
01/21/21 05:37 PM
01/21/21 05:37 PM
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If old Skip wasn't going back to the lease anyway after shooting that deer, he may as well have tagged it and owned up from the start.
The whole story is ridiculous.


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Re: Poacher busted [Re: BernieB.] #7148553
01/21/21 08:15 PM
01/21/21 08:15 PM
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I’ll be honest, I love the fact we have landowners that want to let deer reach maturity. These same landowners pay trappers to make sure they pass their genes on.
As far as deer go, we too have deer “off limits”. Some deer you just want to see grow and what they become. Any buck 5.5 or older is fair game. If you want meat, go ahead and shoot your 10 does. We took 80 off one property and 30 off another. Not every deer will have a trophy rack, but we give them the opportunity to try. Regardless of antler size, a 5.5yr old deer is a TRUE trophy in anyone’s book.
If you can afford a $12K lease, then you should be able to abide by the rules. I saw a buck my son nicknamed “Lil Debbie” that has close to 70” on one side and a crazy nontypical rack on the other side. This deer is only 4.5 and will be legal next year, but dang he was tempting this year.

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