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Re: Muzzleloader for beginners? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7145948
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I tried that lug, the pancake wouldn't do it.
I did use it to blow the grease out, and onto the wood splitter mast.
I've seen aerosol kits for this back when we had more real gun stores.

That thing was a ton of fun,
from the no-load, watch you buddies flinch,
to taking the first deer before it was blued.





Re: Muzzleloader for beginners? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7145976
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I have the little CO2 cylinders/kits but never tried them. I also have a ball puller that I tried once just to see if it would work. It did work with a clean barrel, don't know if it would with a fouled barrel.


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Re: Muzzleloader for beginners? [Re: Lugnut] #7145996
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
I have the little CO2 cylinders/kits but never tried them. I also have a ball puller that I tried once just to see if it would work. It did work with a clean barrel, don't know if it would with a fouled barrel.

Not fun.

I pulled the nipple once packed in some FFG with a flat pencil. Screwed in the nipple and added a fuse. My Great Uncle wore his welding mask ...we lit the fuse. We were out of caps, and dad wouldn't let me bring the ML home loaded.
I told him it was safe but he didn't believe me. Gun went off, blew my Uncles mask back . He had a huge grin on his face.


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Re: Muzzleloader for beginners? [Re: Bruce T] #7146116
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Originally Posted by Bruce T

It's all about more hunting time to me.The gun is just the tool to shoot the deer with.Should be very easy for a beginner to load.......lol just looked back at original post.I had only looked at the headline ..Muzzleloader for a beginner.I did not see in parentheses in the post itself (traditional). My apologies.



I understand what your saying and I am not a traditional purist inlines are great , but really no different than a standard percussion gun accept that you have a removable breach plug this is more of a cleaning and maintenance aid than changing how they are loaded or shot.

the nitro fire is a cartridge based propellant and primer with a muzzle loading projectile and not approved in a lot of states even ones that allow inlines and 209 ignition for hunting during the muzzle loader season

Muzzle loading isn't difficult , I teach it to new 12 year olds nearly every year. by the end of a few hours they have loaded and fired around 40 times

there is a process and a reason for everything . it just seems that in our modern world of all the info at our finger tips , muzzle loading missed the information super highway in many regards. not completely because we are talking about it right now but the resources are not as plentiful.

I just went looking for videos and didn't really find a good tutorial , which makes me think I may have to make one If I can find the time.

there are some resources through the NMLRA national muzzle loading rifle association however most muzzle loading is taught in person.

like so many things gun there is a lot of miss information taken from anecdotal evidence one is that there is a great delay in flint lock ignition a flinter can be quite fast , it can even be fired upside down. what how is that possible the frizzen holds the powder from getting out of the pan if there is no gravity to hole the powder in the pan when the frizzen is opening .... the answer is the flash is that fast the sparks are shooting into the powder as it falls and the flash is what is supposed to travel down the flash channel , not a fuse of powder.

wading through the lack of information and the miss information is a mine field for sure.


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Re: Muzzleloader for beginners? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7146124
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Traditions nitrofire is now legal in these states with more to follow
Montana, Wyoming, South Dakota, Iowa, Michigan, Ohio, Kentucky, Oklahoma, Alabama, Georgia, New York, Vermont, New Jersey, and Maryland.


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Re: Muzzleloader for beginners? [Re: Bruce T] #7146620
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There is a nice Thompson Center Hawken 50 , for sale on Muzzle Loaders forum now for $385 shipped to your door ...

Re: Muzzleloader for beginners? [Re: Don Adams] #7149128
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Originally Posted by Don Adams
As good as you are with your hands - you should build you a Flintlock Southern Mountain Rifle Jim Kibler sells kits and if I can put one together - anyone can. He has videos online showing each step on the building of the SMR (Southern Mountain Rifle). Since you are down there in Mississippi, not sure what your laws are for calibers. You might check that out first. I chose a .45 caliber for my area and I have the equipment for that caliber already. If I build another one of Jim Kibler's kits, it will be a .40 caliber. [Linked Image]
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Dang I do like the look of that ! For somone wanting kinda a middle of the road deal caliber wise would you recommend.45 or .50 ? Was really wanting a .32 because I have a feel most of what I'd be doing is knocking targets or punching paper but really wanted that ability to take decent sized game as well

Re: Muzzleloader for beginners? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7149129
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Ok another question for a guy like me in the south, high humidity,lots of rain and so on , would it just be best to avoid a flintlock all together?

Re: Muzzleloader for beginners? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7149138
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Think may have found something guys. [Linked Image]

Re: Muzzleloader for beginners? [Re: Moosetrot] #7149195
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Originally Posted by Moosetrot
If anyone has a source for RWS #11's or RWS musket caps I would like to know about it.

Moosetrot

Why the RWS? Curious,


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Re: Muzzleloader for beginners? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7149211
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Originally Posted by Wolfdog91
Ok another question for a guy like me in the south, high humidity,lots of rain and so on , would it just be best to avoid a flintlock all together?


I hunt the Pennsylvania late season with my flintlock. We get a good amount of rain and snow during that period. The trick in damp conditions is to change the priming powder often. The very fine FFFF attracts moisture and can cause a lack of pan ignition. Changing it every hour minimum avoids that. If the pan fires, the main charge fires, never had it not happen

These two from last week wish I would have left the priming powder alone.

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Re: Muzzleloader for beginners? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7149247
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Scrapple in the future for Lug.
Were there guys moving deer where you hunted?
Pretty nocturnal over here but did see major sign in some other areas.
Winter been kind of mild so far and looks good for next time.

WD you're gonna like this, once geared up you can shoot and clean
for many hours until needing to buy ammo.
Yes the flinters are a pain when damp, change often like said.





Re: Muzzleloader for beginners? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7149260
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Yes to scrapple! We will be making it and many pounds of sausage in the near future.

I hunt solo. I got lucky five years ago and obtained sole access to a farm that abuts my property when the ownership changed hands. It features a 40 acre swamp that is ideal deer habitat. The swamp and woods sits next to a large field that has been fallow for about ten years. That's where I got these two. One Wednesday a week ago and the other last Saturday.

I just sit on stand and wait for them. Sometimes they show up, more often they don't.

The first was a high shoulder shot, anchored her, she literally dropped in her tracks. The second was a heart shot, she ran about 55 yards before piling up.

50 cal. 175 grain patched round ball over 70 grains of FFFg.

I recovered the ball from the first one. It passed through both shoulder blades and stopped just under the skin.

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Re: Muzzleloader for beginners? [Re: Wolfdog91] #7149319
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Originally Posted by Wolfdog91
Think may have found something guys. [Linked Image]



the Kentucky is a tang breech meaning a screw holds the barrel in as well as 2 pins

so if you remove the barrel for cleaning it is 2 pins and a screw each time

other than that I like the weight forward balance it balances' about a foot in front of the trigger nice long sight radius


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