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searching in a river for body give me some advice #7149910
01/22/21 05:44 PM
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i have done two recovery mission on the nooksack river in the summer.
summer water temperatures are 57-60 degrees.
winter temps now are at 44 at start down to 41
when Jordan jumped in the river was 8 feet higher then now.
I know that a boby sinks and rolls

Anyone got experience in this?

thanks


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Re: searching in a river give me some advice [Re: Vinke] #7149916
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How deep is the river? Did anyone witness where she went in? If so, generally the recovery will be within 150 > 200' of that spot.


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Re: searching in a river give me some advice [Re: Vinke] #7149919
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I've noticed that after they bloat, deer and raccoons get stuck in log jams in eddies. In cold water there is not likely to be much gas production in the digestive tract by bacteria, so bodies should not float as well. I hope you can find your friends' daughter to give them closure.

Keith

Re: searching in a river give me some advice [Re: SJA] #7149923
01/22/21 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by SJA
How deep is the river? Did anyone witness where she went in? If so, generally the recovery will be within 150 > 200' of that spot.


river is 1 foot to 22 feet as it is a glacial flow getting filled with gravel.
yes we know what bridge she jumped from.
very snaggy niver


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Re: searching in a river give me some advice [Re: KeithC] #7149927
01/22/21 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by KeithC
I've noticed that after they bloat, deer and raccoons get stuck in log jams in eddies. In cold water there is not likely to be much gas production in the digestive tract by bacteria, so bodies should not float as well. I hope you can find your friends' daughter to give them closure.

Keith


summer would be easy
thanks Keith


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Re: searching in a river give me some advice [Re: Vinke] #7149935
01/22/21 06:02 PM
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Vink,

I know very little about this, never done it. But with the info you've provided it sounds like a "needle in a haystack" scenario... She could be 100 yards down from the bridge hung on an underwater snag... Or 100 miles away.

God bless you man. I can't even fathom what that's like.

Mike


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Re: searching in a river give me some advice [Re: Vinke] #7149936
01/22/21 06:04 PM
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I hate all river recoveries! A lot more information would be needed. But the one thing that always plays in is, what type of debris is in the river.


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Re: searching in a river give me some advice [Re: Vinke] #7149939
01/22/21 06:06 PM
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thanks MIKE !

It meen a lot coming from you.


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Re: searching in a river give me some advice [Re: Vinke] #7149941
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What was she wearing.
Call it off until spring then she will turn up in the closest backwater


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Re: searching in a river give me some advice [Re: Vinke] #7149949
01/22/21 06:10 PM
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Body will stay down in water that cold for extended time. Decomp gases will build but will be slow. Took 2 months for a 275 lb man to float here in southern Ga. He went down in early January....recovered him in early March. And temps when he went down was low 20s. Water temps in upper 40s. Body size/composition/last meal will factor in to float time, but that cold water will slow it all way down.....like food in a fridge...it'll take a while to go bad.

Hope yall recover her soon. Be safe.

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Re: searching in a river give me some advice [Re: SJA] #7149953
01/22/21 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by SJA
How deep is the river? Did anyone witness where she went in? If so, generally the recovery will be within 150 > 200' of that spot.


Wouldn't that assume a mild current?

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Re: searching in a river give me some advice [Re: Vinke] #7149959
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Just for info, sorry to hear of this. A few years back around Thanksgiving an guy, his wife and daughter tipped their canoe in a small river I trap. They tipped in a bend where there was a snag. The two women made it out, the husband did not. I was wondering what happened as the river was very low the next morning. They had closed off the dam upstream to lower the river. I had a set right at the snag, on the other side of the small river. With the river lowered, I could walk almost the entire way to that snag. Every morning, I would walk out there and look into that water, I knew he was there, it was about the only place he could have been but it was deep and fast moving, I couldn't see very deep. About two week later, they found him. about 100 yards from the snag, floating. I don't really have a point here. I'm just telling what happened. Cold water and obstacles can hid a body for quite awhile. I hope the family gets closure soon.


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Re: searching in a river give me some advice [Re: Vinke] #7149961
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When the body finally floats it wont float long.....a few days maybe, depending on temps. Maybe it'll hang up and be recovered....because it will eventually sink again and not resurface.

Current doesn't matter until body floats. Until decomp gasses buildup the body will sit there like a concrete block. That's hard for folks to believe but it's true. In 25 years and dozens of search and recoveries I've never seen it any different.

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Re: searching in a river give me some advice [Re: Vinke] #7149962
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Being a glacial river 1 > 22' may change things a bit. Yes, what she was wearing, any food taken in can make a difference. Old "saying" is 3 days, 3 weeks, 3 months for recovery.


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Re: searching in a river give me some advice [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7149963
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
When the body finally floats it wont float long.....a few days maybe, depending on temps. Maybe it'll hang up and be recovered....because it will eventually sink again and not resurface.

That is why I asked about clothing.They will float a longer time in spring if wearing a skidoo suit or such type clothing.
Often bodies recovered here in spring will be found with other animals that went thru ice,like moose,in the same backwater eddys.
Kind of predictable where to look in a river for floater.
There is a sandbar on the red sucker river where it enters the Abitibi that always has half buried dead animals in spring.
My advice would be to get someone who knows the river hydrology well and you will have a better idea where to look in spring.

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Re: searching in a river give me some advice [Re: Vinke] #7149966
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Friend of mine fell into the green river 6 years ago duck hunting. His buddy had heart trouble and the thought was maybe the elderly man fell in and the other one tried to save him. Both where recovered in about a week. The elderly gentleman was found next day . My friend wasn't recovered until 1 week later. Thanks to a guy that floated the river fishing often he told the searchers were to look. He said the first extreme bend in the river on the current side. Trees and logs back wash in the eddy and sure enough they found him in about 12 ft of water. It was about 6 miles down stream from were the accident occurred.

Re: searching in a river give me some advice [Re: Vinke] #7149975
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This pass Dec 2 guys duck hunting the Mississippi River up from Natchez boat flipped. Found the boat and most of the things in but no body’s yet. How y’all find her soon praying for the family.


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Re: searching in a river give me some advice [Re: Vinke] #7150008
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I am sure they are using drones. Bright days, fast and easy to deploy at a real low cost. They can be use when the recovery has been called off. Sorry to hear of your loss.


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Re: searching in a river give me some advice [Re: Vinke] #7150040
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I have been envolved with a few. Two in the Mississippi river and one in the cumberland river. Others in lakes.

Every one was found within 50 ft of where they went down. All but one was within 24 hrs however so that may make a difference in your search. The other one was down close to 72 hrs, but was still within the 50 ft area. I would have bet the ones in the mississippi river would have been down stream, but they weren't. The other one was in an eddy which held the body there for part of a day, a full night, and the following morning.

Good luck on your search, it aint fun, but the closure it affords is worth it.

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this guy is west coast Oregon Washington , he sort of specializes in cars but he has found a few bodies and given closure to some families.

it might be worth contacting him , you got nothing to loose I would think

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNTuVMv2WRVnYcgJx7DjNPQ


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