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Re: Remind your liberal friends that... [Re: rvsask] #7155266
01/26/21 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by rvsask
Real fur is way more sustainable, it’s not even a debate.

I see way less fur being worn in rural areas than urban ones though. Just an observation on who is wearing it, besides China.


So how do we change that?

I wear my fur hat quite a bit when I am out and about. My wife wears several different fur headbands when she goes out.

Re: Remind your liberal friends that... [Re: k snow] #7155274
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Originally Posted by k snow
Originally Posted by rvsask
Real fur is way more sustainable, it’s not even a debate.

I see way less fur being worn in rural areas than urban ones though. Just an observation on who is wearing it, besides China.


So how do we change that?

I wear my fur hat quite a bit when I am out and about. My wife wears several different fur headbands when she goes out.


Maybe a public outreach campaign by the fur and trapping industries would be a start.

Re: Remind your liberal friends that... [Re: Flint Lock] #7155278
01/26/21 09:48 AM
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Groenewold has tried to start that. Much as some people might not like his business practices, he is trying to increase fur marketing.




Re: Remind your liberal friends that... [Re: Flint Lock] #7155284
01/26/21 09:54 AM
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This approach may be less impactful in the U.S. but this writing was recently distributed somewhat in Canada and I thought some might find it an interesting read here:



INDIGENOUS FUR HARVESTERS SPEAK OUT
AGAINST ANTI – FUR CAMPAIGNERS

“Harvesting and trading fur and other gifts of nature is our inherent right since ancient times, not a privilege to be bartered or revoked!”
As Indigenous trappers and traditional trapline holders, we can no longer remain silent about self-appointed “animal rights” activists who think they have a right to spread lies about the fur trade and call on politicians to ban the production or sale of fur products.
The latest example of this vicious and misleading campaigning is a recent call by animal activists for the Canadian Government to ban mink farming, after mink on two BC farms tested positive for COVID-19. While mink farming is not a tradition in our culture, we oppose this attack on small family-run farms and on rural communities where the majority of Indigenous harvesters live. And we are not naïve: we understand that this attack on mink farming is just the latest weapon in an orchestrated plan to turn the public against any use of fur – a campaign that directly attacks our culture and inherent rights as Indigenous First Nations peoples of Canada. We call this for what it is: Cultural Genocide.
The fur trade played a central role in Canada’s history, it's the most important part of our Cultural Identity; our people were harvesting and trading furs long before Europeans ever set foot on our eastern shores. The harvesting and sale of fur still provides income for many First Nations communities throughout Canada. Beavers, muskrats, and other furbearing animals also provide nutritious food for many hunters and their families. The respectful harvesting of fur and food from abundant wildlife populations is central to our relationship with the land – a relationship that the federal and provincial governments are legally mandated to protect.
Let us be crystal clear: the goal of animal activists – including those now calling for a ban on mink farming –is to destroy all markets for fur, to further their own ideological agenda. In doing so, they are directly attacking our right to responsibly harvest and trade nature’s gifts, which is our inherent right, a right recognized by Supreme Court of Canada and by the United Nations Declaration for the Rights of Indigenous People (UNDRIP).
It is doubly unfortunate that animal activists seek to mislead the public and the government about fur at a time when Canadians seek to live in better harmony with nature. Furs are sustainably produced, long-lasting, and biodegradable, natural clothing material. It is the Honest Fabric. By contrast, the fake furs and other synthetics promoted by animal activists are generally made from petroleum, a non-renewable, non-biodegradable, and polluting resource.
Indigenous people have respected and protected the survival of the animal populations upon which we depend since time immemorial. Our message today to self-appointed “animal rights” extremists and their celebrity cheerleaders is this: Your misguided attacks on the fur trade are not “progressive”; they are attacks on indigenous people. Your uninformed and misguided truths must stop NOW!
We take this opportunity to remind the Government of Canada, and their provincial and municipal counterparts, that fur trapping, trading, displaying and selling fur is our Inherent Right, not a privilege to be bartered or trifled with. You are responsible for protecting these rights!
Furthermore, you cannot make any changes in policy or legislation concerning the responsible harvesting, production, displaying, selling or bartering fur products without full consultation and consent from Indigenous people, as the Supreme Court of Canada has ruled.
We will no longer remain silent while self-appointed urban activists attack our cultural traditions and livelihoods. It is time you showed some respect for Indigenous fur harvesters and our fur trade partners.
We call on all Canadians to say “No!” to the lies and cultural discrimination and “No” to Intolerance from the anti-fur groups. It’s time to take a stand. Fur trappers of the Coast Salish, Haida, Cree, Metis, Dene, Inuit to name a few, come from Indigenous Communities across Canada.
We ask Canadians to support Indigenous fur trappers / harvesters by buying and wearing Canadian Fur.

Thank you.
Signed by Indigenous Fur Trappers & Supporters.
- Chief Roy Jones - Haida Gwaii First Nations
Tel: 778 840 7897 Email: cheexial@gmail.com
- Chief Brian Wadhams – Trapper Namgis First Nations
Tel: 250 974 4904 Email: brianwadhams@hotmail.com
- Karen Dunstan - Lytton First Nation Member, Trapper & Director, BC Trappers Assoc.
Email: karen.m.dunstan@gmail.com
- Thomas Sewid Kwakwaka'wakw/Cree Pacific Balance Marine Management
Email: tom.sewid@gmail.com

Re: Remind your liberal friends that... [Re: Flint Lock] #7155287
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I like it!

Re: Remind your liberal friends that... [Re: Leftlane] #7155288
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Originally Posted by Leftlane
Greta would look good in fur! grin

You're being quite optimistic there, Lefty. I can't see it. frown


Life ain't supposed to be easy.
Re: Remind your liberal friends that... [Re: Flint Lock] #7155291
01/26/21 10:00 AM
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Crit, that's a good start. Might need some rewriting to work here in the states. Now we just need to get that in the hands of common people.

Letters to the editor section of papers and magazines I think would be a start.

Social media, outside of our own echo chamber, for those that use it.

Re: Remind your liberal friends that... [Re: Flint Lock] #7155292
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I believe it was Oscar De La Renta who, on the topic of animal rights was quoted as saying, to the effect, "most of those animals used in the fur industry would eat your face if given the opportunity anyway." laugh

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Re: Remind your liberal friends that... [Re: Flint Lock] #7155308
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Originally Posted by Flint Lock
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Green,
Your logic sounds like a liberal to me. You saved #2 fuel by burning wood ignoring the carbon footprint of the wood burned. It's like driving an electric car and pretending you are not using any energy.


That's my neighbor. He spends ridiculous amounts of time driving all over the county scrounging for free wood so he can save a few bucks running his heat pump each year. He doesn't do this for environmental reasons, but because he thinks its saving him money. He thinks free wood = free heat. If only he had the wits to factor in everything he spends on chainsaws, gasoline, wear and tear on his truck, and all his time, he would realize that he has the most expensive heating system in the neighborhood.

I spend some time driving around pulling scrap wood out of dumpsters to use as kindling in my stove. I see it as a hobby and keeps good pine wood from being buried in the landfill. I guess it's all in how you look at it. We all probably spend more than we make driving around trapping aminals that don't even sell at the fur market too.


Life ain't supposed to be easy.
Re: Remind your liberal friends that... [Re: Flint Lock] #7155311
01/26/21 10:08 AM
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Groney has a sustainability awareness program going:

https://www.wildfurforever.com/

I'd say that if the wild fur market is ever going to shine again, we need to take the "green" and sustainability route and educate people. It truly is a win-win for everyone if they understand the true science behind animal carrying capacity, sustainability, and especially the environmental consequences of using plastics and synthetics versus natural materials.

From a personal standpoint we can all do our part by supporting tanneries, garment makers, and local crafters that use fur. I bought my 5 and 6 year olds their own coon skin hats for Christmas this year and they've been a hit everywhere they wear them. Especially at school. Since my daughter started wearing her hat and showing off trapping pictures, I've had three of her friends ask to come trapping or want fur hats. It starts with us! Buy your kids, grandkids, etc. fur and encourage them to wear it.

Re: Remind your liberal friends that... [Re: Flint Lock] #7155381
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Let's go Brandon

"Shall not comply" with morons who don't understand "shall not infringe."
Re: Remind your liberal friends that... [Re: Flint Lock] #7155387
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Re: Remind your liberal friends that... [Re: Flint Lock] #7155415
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That's awesome atrapper. Great way to get fur garments out there.

Re: Remind your liberal friends that... [Re: Crit-R-Dun] #7155421
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Originally Posted by Crit-R-Dun
This approach may be less impactful in the U.S. but this writing was recently distributed somewhat in Canada and I thought some might find it an interesting read here:



INDIGENOUS FUR HARVESTERS SPEAK OUT
AGAINST ANTI – FUR CAMPAIGNERS

“Harvesting and trading fur and other gifts of nature is our inherent right since ancient times, not a privilege to be bartered or revoked!”
As Indigenous trappers and traditional trapline holders, we can no longer remain silent about self-appointed “animal rights” activists who think they have a right to spread lies about the fur trade and call on politicians to ban the production or sale of fur products.
The latest example of this vicious and misleading campaigning is a recent call by animal activists for the Canadian Government to ban mink farming, after mink on two BC farms tested positive for COVID-19. While mink farming is not a tradition in our culture, we oppose this attack on small family-run farms and on rural communities where the majority of Indigenous harvesters live. And we are not naïve: we understand that this attack on mink farming is just the latest weapon in an orchestrated plan to turn the public against any use of fur – a campaign that directly attacks our culture and inherent rights as Indigenous First Nations peoples of Canada. We call this for what it is: Cultural Genocide.
The fur trade played a central role in Canada’s history, it's the most important part of our Cultural Identity; our people were harvesting and trading furs long before Europeans ever set foot on our eastern shores. The harvesting and sale of fur still provides income for many First Nations communities throughout Canada. Beavers, muskrats, and other furbearing animals also provide nutritious food for many hunters and their families. The respectful harvesting of fur and food from abundant wildlife populations is central to our relationship with the land – a relationship that the federal and provincial governments are legally mandated to protect.
Let us be crystal clear: the goal of animal activists – including those now calling for a ban on mink farming –is to destroy all markets for fur, to further their own ideological agenda. In doing so, they are directly attacking our right to responsibly harvest and trade nature’s gifts, which is our inherent right, a right recognized by Supreme Court of Canada and by the United Nations Declaration for the Rights of Indigenous People (UNDRIP).
It is doubly unfortunate that animal activists seek to mislead the public and the government about fur at a time when Canadians seek to live in better harmony with nature. Furs are sustainably produced, long-lasting, and biodegradable, natural clothing material. It is the Honest Fabric. By contrast, the fake furs and other synthetics promoted by animal activists are generally made from petroleum, a non-renewable, non-biodegradable, and polluting resource.
Indigenous people have respected and protected the survival of the animal populations upon which we depend since time immemorial. Our message today to self-appointed “animal rights” extremists and their celebrity cheerleaders is this: Your misguided attacks on the fur trade are not “progressive”; they are attacks on indigenous people. Your uninformed and misguided truths must stop NOW!
We take this opportunity to remind the Government of Canada, and their provincial and municipal counterparts, that fur trapping, trading, displaying and selling fur is our Inherent Right, not a privilege to be bartered or trifled with. You are responsible for protecting these rights!
Furthermore, you cannot make any changes in policy or legislation concerning the responsible harvesting, production, displaying, selling or bartering fur products without full consultation and consent from Indigenous people, as the Supreme Court of Canada has ruled.
We will no longer remain silent while self-appointed urban activists attack our cultural traditions and livelihoods. It is time you showed some respect for Indigenous fur harvesters and our fur trade partners.
We call on all Canadians to say “No!” to the lies and cultural discrimination and “No” to Intolerance from the anti-fur groups. It’s time to take a stand. Fur trappers of the Coast Salish, Haida, Cree, Metis, Dene, Inuit to name a few, come from Indigenous Communities across Canada.
We ask Canadians to support Indigenous fur trappers / harvesters by buying and wearing Canadian Fur.

Thank you.
Signed by Indigenous Fur Trappers & Supporters.
- Chief Roy Jones - Haida Gwaii First Nations
Tel: 778 840 7897 Email: cheexial@gmail.com
- Chief Brian Wadhams – Trapper Namgis First Nations
Tel: 250 974 4904 Email: brianwadhams@hotmail.com
- Karen Dunstan - Lytton First Nation Member, Trapper & Director, BC Trappers Assoc.
Email: karen.m.dunstan@gmail.com
- Thomas Sewid Kwakwaka'wakw/Cree Pacific Balance Marine Management
Email: tom.sewid@gmail.com


Agree with that 100% but the key word there is indigenous. Even if there were to be a ban on trapping the reservations would exempt and the trapping and hunting practices of indigenous people, who of course are victims of white supremacy, will be viewed differently by the left than those of us of European descent.

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Re: Remind your liberal friends that... [Re: Flint Lock] #7155424
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Re: Remind your liberal friends that... [Re: Flint Lock] #7155599
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Originally Posted by Flint Lock
Fur is a renewable and sustainable resource. The production of polyester and other manmade synthetic alternatives contributes to greenhouse gasses and climate change. So put on a fur coat next time you get behind the wheel of that Tesla.

AND.....synthetic faux fur is contaminating the worlds rivers and oceans with microfibers which are harming the ecosystem. In particular clams that can't filter them out and die.


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Re: Remind your liberal friends that... [Re: Flint Lock] #7155658
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No carbon is emitted to generate electricity for electric cars. If you don't believe that, ask a liberal. I am not a liberal.

Who ever heard of a far left speaker who believed what they said or practiced what they preached? Honest liars are hard to find.

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Re: Remind your liberal friends that... [Re: Flint Lock] #7155673
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Saying "Liberal Friends" is like saying "Turkey Bacon" grin


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Originally Posted by upstateNY
Saying "Liberal Friends" is like saying "Turkey Bacon" grin


I know, and I don’t have any liberal friends either, the phrase was just my attempt at click bait. grin

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