Re: Executive Order Make All Federal Vehicles Electric
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Look Bob electric cars are dumb idea. They will never be as good as a car with an internal combustion engine. There are laws of physics involved here and technology cannot change a law. However, man can create a law that requires you to buy an inferior product . I went to college for this. Trust me! That being said maybe we should mandate Stanley Steamers, We can burn wood in the boiler since they are carbon neutral.
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Re: Executive Order Make All Federal Vehicles Electric
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Carbon neutral is on the premise that you plant trees, sudo science at best..
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Re: Executive Order Make All Federal Vehicles Electric
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Bob. You are putting the cart before the horse. So are our politicos. There is currently no viable alternative for fossil fuel. The total incoming solar energy per square foot just is not enough, no matter how efficient solar panels are or going to be. The solar constant has been the same for millions of years with fluctuations due to sun spots etc of around one %. Thats it. On the wind energy side of things, You will have a tough time when you tell your boss that you cant come to work today because there was no wind last night to turn the fan that shares your car. Or you cant watch the second half of the football game because the wind died down. It will be a huge undertaking to create the infrastructure and upgrade the national grid if a large percentage of the population would buy into EV's. We would have to build a bunch of power stations Nuclear or fired by fossil fuels to meet that demand. There is no free lunch. Australia, china and some parts of Africa are the sole places where the stuff is mined that makes Lithium Ion batteries tick. You won't find a pound of the stuff in American soil. Till that is all figured out and most of all built and paid for. Stick to a vehicle with an internal instead of external combustion engine. Presently we need 20 trillion bucks to be called flat broke. soon, the country will not be able to even pay the interest rate of that mountain of debt the government has ridden us into and the whole apple cars will tip over. Now they are sating more money to upgrade the federal fleet. The mind boggles. This is a gadget that we can still almost afford .... get yourself one before people find out about it.
Kinda feel bad for you that such an elegant speech won't even be entertained.
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Re: Executive Order Make All Federal Vehicles Electric
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Its just being realistic Fin. That slight sprinkle of sarcasm here and there does not make my points less valid but I need that or I will have an onset of sanity.
Let's go Brandon
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Re: Executive Order Make All Federal Vehicles Electric
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Its just being realistic Fin. That slight sprinkle of sarcasm here and there does not make my points less valid but I need that or I will have an onset of sanity. Nothing wrong with sarcasm. It's for keeping your sanity what you are talking to the minds of children.
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Re: Executive Order Make All Federal Vehicles Electric
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I will concede that right now, today, there is no viable complete replacement for fossil fuels. There are a lot of ways to reduce the amount we use though, and eventually there will be a viable replacement. How long it takes to get there is going to largely depend on wether or not the majority of the population is willing to try to get away from fossil fuels. Maybe it’s electricity, maybe hydrogen, maybe something we haven’t even discovered yet but there will be something better if we are willing to try.
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Re: Executive Order Make All Federal Vehicles Electric
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Hydrogen needs large amounts of electricity to make it available. I already pointed out its inherent flaws and dangers earlier. In the mid term future it will be electricity, just the way we get to obtaining that electricity will probably be along the lines of fusion reactors if we ever get an economy going that can actually pay for the research needed and ultimately its implementation. Unlikely that we will see it though.
Let's go Brandon
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Re: Executive Order Make All Federal Vehicles Electric
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Another point to be made. Would anyone like to concede that to install enough solar panels on a 3200 SQFT home and a battery bank and everything else needed to be off grid would cost $50,000. ??? I know what it cost. Someone want to give me that point? Your wrong. It'll cost much more. I have a 2800 sq ft house and approx a $40,000 solar system. Not enough battery back up would need to add approx 3-4x more batteries at approx $15-20K Need to add 2x the solar panels and up the number of charge controllers and inverters so say another 10-20K You could get by on a $40K system if you didn't have dishwasher, washer and dryers, TV's, extra freezer and a host of other electrical stuff that most people would not even think about being without not to mention A/C and heat.
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Re: Executive Order Make All Federal Vehicles Electric
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The Greenies don't realize that when the sun don't shine and the wind don't blow, there is no 'lectricity, since 'lectricity cannot be stored as AC. And lektrik vehicles will never produce enough lasting horsepower to be viable. Just yesterday I saw a lektrik car that had gone dead in the left lane and had created quite a traffic jam on I-4 between Tampa and Orlando. It was a cute little car though. Maybe they could run lektrik lines above the highways and freeways so all vehicles could run like streetcars in the city, attached to lektrik lines everywhere they go. It'll work, all we have to do is try. I mean, let someone else try since it isn't viable and wouldn't stand on it's own without gubmint $$$$$ trillions.
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Re: Executive Order Make All Federal Vehicles Electric
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Federal Gubmint needs $27 trillion today to get back to flat broke. But Biden has a handle on it. Ink and paper is cheap.
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Re: Executive Order Make All Federal Vehicles Electric
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I will concede that right now, today, there is no viable complete replacement for fossil fuels. There are a lot of ways to reduce the amount we use though, and eventually there will be a viable replacement. How long it takes to get there is going to largely depend on wether or not the majority of the population is willing to try to get away from fossil fuels. Maybe it’s electricity, maybe hydrogen, maybe something we haven’t even discovered yet but there will be something better if we are willing to try. I wholeheartedly agree about conserving electrical power. There are so many ways that we as a nation could reduce electrical consumption if we wanted. for the most part if they all involve on doing without something we have now tho. I don't think the vast majority of people don't care about where the power comes from. They care about how much it costs more.
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Re: Executive Order Make All Federal Vehicles Electric
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I like it Dirt! I bet the rubber bumpers would lower insurance rates too!!
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Re: Executive Order Make All Federal Vehicles Electric
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It's EASY according to AOC. You simply "make it happen"!! Problem solved.
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Re: Executive Order Make All Federal Vehicles Electric
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Lets be honest here, the whole reason Biden is doing this is a feel good and appease the reality deprived left move.
Same as eveytime you hear about how they apoint some transgender or woman or person of color to some position. The symbolism of what they do is the most important thing, not the end result. Truer words have never been spoken.
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