What is everyone’s thoughts on the current ammo, primer, powder etc.. shortage ??
I think the fix is in, if ammo manufacturers are flat out producing it, where is it going ? The brick and mortar store shelves are empty, the online stores are empty. Heck, runnings took ammo off from their website. I’ve signed up on several websites for notification when it’s back in stock, I hear crickets ?

If your short you didn't learn your lesson very well last dem president. Ive got more ammo than I've ever had. Started a year and a half ago and last order was pre-covid. Knew the election could cause problems, luckily got it all before covid hit.

Ammunition will soon be 50% higher due to H.R.5717 - Gun Violence Prevention and Community Safety Act of 2020, which are new democrat overlords have promised to pass. You'll have to pass a background check, be recorded as the purchaser and pick the ammunition up in person too.

Keith

Glad my orders are coming in UPS tomorrow, lol.

"The fix is in"?

That’s what I love about this site, post a thread and there’s always someone who makes assumptions. Where did my post say I was short of ammo ? jesh, I asked what people’s thoughts were about the current shortage ? Do you have any thought on my question ? If not why did you reply to the thread ?

You asked for my thoughts in your first sentence. I gave you my thoughts on the shortage. I didn't make an assumption on you being short, I just said"if your short". Unwind a little, we're good.

This again? How many times per week do we need a thread on this? Its been answered in all the other threads. Its really not complicated, and no “fix is in”.

Is there such a thing as having too much ammo?

everyone who does see a box is buying it

they are producing it

I even saw new 9mm on the shelf last week some ammo is coming in , but when any seen is bought , the guy who had 50 rounds in his possession for the last 10 years now needs 500 because who knows when he will find it again

500 x 40 million is 20 billion , that is years of production

If I get off five shots before I get taken out I'll feel good about it.

Got this emailed to me today

I’d die much happier if I have five bodies from my five shots lying around me.

Nope

The shortage is real.

Any attempt to explain it makes you a conspiracy theorist

What is going on is that as soon as ammo & reloading components hit the shelves people buy it up so it will be a while until there is inventory..like maybe years.

The best plan is to find a way to network and join in the buying up, see ANY ammo/reloading stuff and buy it up....trade it for what you need.....or sell it for 'current prices' so you can pay the current prices for what you need.

You best believe that things can get worse.

BPI has been selling primers online off & on the past few days.

Check them daily !!!


wish they would ship to my location



https://www.ballisticproducts.com/

Wow

I haven't thought about Ballistic Products Inc. For years

I worked for them When they were a small new shop in Long Lake,Mn. I was only 1 of 5 people working for The owner Dave Fackler. I was 18 in 1983 just Graduated High School. My first full time job. I was the only Shipping person there. I also loaded shotshell test loads for Dave F. When I was caught up on shipping in the afternoon s

Come on man !! You were 18 in 1903

83' dude

And not 1883 like You

Hey now, Ken isn't all that old.

Why I saw a graduation picture with him, the beav and the Wright Brothers.

So why do the guys at my local gun shops say they are not receiving as many shipments?

maybe they are selling it on gunbroker for as much as possible.

Orville & Wilbur were in the class behind me !

Behind?

That makes you a year older than the Beav.

Well maybe not, now that I think about it, Gary got red shirted a couple years

Yeah. He was held back multiple times in second grade

Readiness class?

There was no "social promotion" back then

Cursive must have kicked his butt

Did his dad burn down the school to get him out of 6th grade?

LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can you explain why the manufactures were not prepared

They were busy buying TP

If some of those bills pass and they put a yearly ownership tax on guns and ammo even the ones you already own what then

If it's and butts, were candy and nuts...

just say no.

No one can prepare for what happened to demand. Couple in Covid and raw material shortage it isn't hard to figure out.

If primers are manufactured in China, that could explain a lot.

so What’s the prognosis , will stores ever have stocked shelves again ?

I talked to my local farm and home last week. They said they received 2 pallets of ammo overnight. It was gone in a hour. Same thing at a sporting goods store in the same town. It's the gold standard.

The stores that have ammo on the shelves are charging close to Gunbroker rates. LGS here is charging 10.00-14.00/box for 12 gauge target ammo. I didn't even look at the pricing on rifle ammo. Three weeks ago, I paid $65.00/thousand for primers there. A week later they were charging $100.00/thousand for primers. I think they raise their prices every time a box goes out the door.

I work at a big box retailer that doesn't quadruple their prices because something is temporarily short on stock. Every morning there are about a dozen people that come on, buy every single thing they can within thier limit set by the company and then leave. I know they are selling it. Some have quit thier jobs to resell ammo. Some sell on gun broker, others sell to gun stores etc. This does not only happen at our store, it happen at every single store that sells ammo. Until the pipeline gets full enough to keep these folks from setting the market, it will continue. It's not easy to fill such a large pipeline though and people that think manufacturers are going to build extra facilities for a temporary (even if it's a couple years) shortage have no clue.

Yes, people are buying it when they can find it. But all the retailers I've talked to over the last few days aren't getting any from their distributors.

I'm having a hard time believing that hoarders are cleaning everything out when retailers aren't able to get anything to begin with.

I stopped in at my local gun store yesterday and just happened to catch him as he was on the computer ordering stock. I asked him if he could order some Hornady (.30 cal.) 195 gr. ELD-M's... No dice. The only Hornady .30 cal in stock at his distributor was two 100 round boxes of 150 gr. SST... 2 boxes in their entire warehouse.

However he did score me a couple boxes of Sierra, so I'm happy.

In the video, Federal's CEO says they've produced more ammo than at any other time in their 99 year history... But the trucks must be dumping it in a ditch a mile down the street from the factory because it seems it isn't making it to distributors to sell to retailers.

It's the same with Lee... Their website says they've hired extra help, they're working OT, and they even have the office personnel out in the shop packing/shipping product... But BPS, Cabela's, Midway, Brownell's, Natchez, Midsouth, etc... have extremely limited supplies of Lee stuff, or none at all... And backorders are routinely "undetermined ETA."

It sure seems like somebody in the chain of manufacturer-distributor-retailer is full of crap... Or this is the most perfect of perfect storms ever in the history of chance and probability.

Inversely... It seems the shortage doesn't apply if you have a .300 Savage. I've seen more components and ammo for that chambering lately than I've ever seen before. Go figure. If I knew which powder they were loaded with I might be tempted to buy 'em, pull 'em all down, and reuse what I could to load for my .308

Mike

For anyone who has never WORKED INSIDE the firearms industry: it takes a lot of money and time to purchase and install equipment. Then hire reliable people and train. That's if they have room to expand where they are located. Include a building plan, permits, building time and start up, etc if the company that owns the ammo end gives it a green light.

Not to mention any down time, pandemic induced days off for workers who may have just been exposed to someone who tested positive. It's a domino effect. It's not one person out of work for 10-14 days or more, it could be 5 to 10 people.

Not all of those folks are selling it. We have a local box retailer like you speak of, with a line every delivery day. I have stood in that line many times on rain days and my brother has more often as he is working a job just down the street from that store and takes his morning break to stand in the line. Neither of us are selling anything, just getting our summer range ammo. Lots of other folks are also getting personal ammo. I do know of a couple of the fellas in that line that are indeed selling on GB or small gun shops, even picked one out at a gun show trying to double his money but please don't assume all are selling. You know what assumptions do.

I think we see the odd ball stuff , 16ga , 300 savage , because they were behind the crates of more common ammo and are now the only thing on the shelf

my local store has a bunch of boxes of 25-20 and 32-20

My timing must suck. I've been checking them and others intermittently for weeks and always come up empty. I did score some .22 shorts from BPI, though.

I have been looking for shotshell primers for a few months, I have a few thousand on hand but I shoot daily. I picked up 3 bricks of Win 209s in Chicago around Thanksgiving for $32.99/brick and that lasted me until Christmas. I make my rounds on the reloading sites daily. I got word that BPI had these primers in stock from a co-worker, and ordered a few boxes. Although, I don't normally use Cheddite primers, beggars can't be choosers. I for one am happy folks make a post here and on Facebook letting other people know who has components in stock. I've had to scale back how much shooting I do on a weekly basis because I can't get components to feed my habit. 2 weeks ago, Our Local Dunns Sporting Goods store raised the price of powder $3/lb. I needed a few pounds to maintain my supply and support my addiction. I couldn't get it online so I paid it. I was there last week, and they raised it another $4/lb (to a total of $7/lb in less than 2 weeks). I'll pass at that price.

I noticed your post on Shotgun World also. Have you experienced any primer pocket issues with Cheddites ?

It would be nice if I reloaded shotgun/pistol... I could get my hands on shotgun and pistol powder without too much trouble... Especially shotgun powder. Primers are hit or miss depending on location and day of the week... But I must admit I haven't paid much attention to supplies of 209's.

I'd say the gas gun calibers (.223/5.56, .308/7.62) and 9mm and 45 ACP are seeing the greatest demands and therefore being given priority for production... So the majority of raw materials are being fed into making components for those chamberings.

Who knows at this point.

Mike

I have never reloaded Cheddite primers. However, in times of need we all need to adapt. I have used factory primed Cheddite Hulls for both hunting and target purposes and they fired just fine. I have some Win 209's put away, but I may save those for my hunting loads. I'll use the cheddites for targets and set those hulls aside for European components. I've read a lot about them, and how after using a Cheddite primer a Win 209 will fall out of the primer pocket. We shall see.
During the last component shortage, I could only get unknown (to me) components. Not necessarily a bad thing as I found some powders what work exceptionally well in my rifles like RamShot. Since that last shortage, I have worked up loads with components I can use for multiple guns/calibers.

Right. That is what I have read also. I have a few thousand WIN, CCI, Fed 209A. I wish they were all uniform

The gunshop my brother works at was told not to expect any shipment of .308 .223 or 9mm for a few years. And other calibers and shot shells are not being made so they can focus on producing the 9mm and nato rounds. Also gun imports are anybody guess now that the US is under socialist rule. I know iv been waiting for a ruger shipment for quite awhile and every other Canadian firearm website is waiting as well.

next time you see this happening,i need you to smack in the head so i will see to!!!

I found some rifle powder I've never used and have no experience with... But I guess I'm to see how it works in my gun. It may be the greatest stuff ever, might be horrible. Just have to see.

Each of my rifles has a small spiral notebook that I use to keep notes on load data... When I run a ladder test I write down which combo grouped the best. If this mess ever subsides I should be well versed on what my guns like/don't like.

Mike

if we were living in a normal USA ,the words [i have to much ammo wound mean ] time to go to the range and have some FUN!!!

I hope we get back to the point were I can remind you its a good time to buy.

Inversely... It seems the shortage doesn't apply if you have a .300 Savage. I've seen more components and ammo for that chambering lately than I've ever seen before. Go figure. If I knew which powder they were loaded with I might be tempted to buy 'em, pull 'em all down, and reuse what I could to load for my .308

Mike

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Well sheesh - I HAVE a .300 Savage. where are you seeing ammo for it? I'll buy some!

always the issue of whats enough

a year ago if you asked me if 500 rounds of 308 was enough I might have said yes , I get less and less sure every day.

Places here haven't had ammo for almost a year, on order. So what stores are getting this ammo ?

One of the memes in the Meme Thread kind of hit the nail on the head. News reports make a big deal of a man arrested having 2 guns and 100 rounds of ammo in his house. Most of us have more than that in our trucks

If it's readily available than you don't need much on hand. The harder it is to find the more you need to have.

Your right there. After the last 9 months everyone is trying to double or more there amount they have on hand

Well sheesh - I HAVE a .300 Savage. where are you seeing ammo for it? I'll buy some![/quote]

You want ammo or just brass?

Mike

Local Mom & Pop gun shop is getting a shipment in today or tomorrow of 9mm, 45acp, 223/556.
Walmart has several cases of 12ga and 20ga. As well as a limited supply of 28ga. no metallic ammo
Gander Outdoors has several pallets of 12ga & 20ga ammo. They also have all sorts of odd ball metallic caliber ammo.
Dunns Sporting Goods has 9mm and 45ACP with a limit of 1 box per customer (raised the price of their ammo. and the price of powder went up by $7/lb)

Mike,

Honestly I'd be happy with either

I've been finding 50 and 100 packs here and there.

Stingers 6.96/50

100 pkq click mini mags 7.96

I saw a 333 pack of 22 LR on a auction last night. It was $75 and had an hour to end. They had two boxes of Rem 12 1oz 7 1/2 shot. One was $21 and the other $19. A 5 pack of 00 buck in 12 ga was $12. Some people are nuts is all I can tell you.

It's still hitting shelves. Taken this morning. That's about 16,000 rds of 556. It'll be gone by closing.

here you go fenex ammo , is giving notice that at 10am eastern tomorrow they will put 300K rounds of 9mm out for sale

https://fenixammo.com/collections/t...UUvjpqKB1611779474&campaign_id=12207

shall we take bets on how long till sold out I thing for sure by 11:10 eastern 300K rounds will be sold


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Seems like i heard this all before like maybe 5 years ago

I went and looked today and they had several 50 ct. bags of Winchester brass in .300 Savage... I didn't see a limit on brass but they were limiting ammo to 1 box per customer.

Lots of .270 brass too.

Mike

Nobody was showing up for work cause of covid and making more money on unemployment!

it cost a lot of green to tool up , to up your production,if you don't make your money back while demand is high to pay for your expanding business 'tooling /shop, ,you could end up with financial problems and lose everything, you can't just tool up over night it take's time.if demand were to die off you could be sitting on pricey tools that are just idling..

Went to a local gun shop for a new castle nut they had some ammo and were limiting it to 5 boxes. I got 3 boxes of tulammo even though I don't like that brand. But if it hits the fan and I need it or if someone is desperate I can use it or sell it lol

A cousin posted on fb yesterday he can't find ammo lately. Told him it's been like that for about a year. He said he's stocking up because of the anti gun bills Biden is pushing. He then said he voted for Biden too. Had to shake my head

I have/ had a friend like that.

I guy posted on another website that he has purchased 25,000 rounds of 22 ammo. Whatin the world do you need this many rounds for?

You could say he is a collector

We all have our vices and different collections that we indulge in.

in January 2020 the shelves were busting , stock in the back room , anything you wanted, wearhouses were full
web sites were full , I had an order with a bunch of stuff waiting for me to hit buy early March it was all in stock probably about the 11th I was starting to hear about toilet paper selling out in places
March 13 our kids got sent home from school take all your locker stuff with you we are cleaning over spring break and at 6pm the govern ordered schools closed
I went home that night and half the content of my online cart was out of stock.
I hit the local gun shop Tuesday the 17th for some of it , the store had been more stocked than I had ever seen it 2 weeks before , that Tuesday he wasn't sure he would be open past Saturday there wouldn't be munch left to sell the way it was going. guys were making piles of ammo and accessories on the counter while waiting on him to do the paperwork on the gun.

he was closed for a about 3 weeks he had several orders he had placed before the 13th come in and he opened again

it hasn't gotten any less crazy since the 13th of March

cases have 1/20 the stock they had in them this week last year.
he told me the other day he used to have a gun in the back to replace nearly any gun in the case , now this is every gun in inventory you can see them all

he gets in a some handguns here and there , hand writes out a paper tag with a string because it will be sold in days any way he used to have nice little plastic jacket type tag , with specs and manufacturers logo , now model caliber price written in pen hang the tag and put it on the rack.

he is still putting ammo on the shelf before he opens , many places just cut the case open write a price on and keep it on a cart near the register.



they were prepared for an election year worth of sales in January

they got a pandemic , riots , cities burning , and an election year if only they had 4 times an election years worth there might be a box still on the shelves but probably not maybe if they had 10 times a normal election years worth.

Just Unreal

wants to take the grand kids to the range every 2 weeks for a year

not that hard to go through 500 rounds in a couple hours at the range with 2 people , add 3-4 grand kids

or he just wanted it it's only 2 1/2 cases

Take my kid to the range and you will find out why he needs that many rounds.