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Fur friendly #7157377
01/27/21 02:14 PM
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I need some advice, looking for opinions on the most fur friendly round for the .22-250. I always used the 17 Remington for coyotes; however, depending on who you talk with in the Wisconsin DNR the 17 Rem is not adequate (no longer allowed)??
What bullets won't tear the fur all up on exit or striking bone?

Thanks for some direction.


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Re: Fur friendly [Re: Scott__aR] #7157390
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22 mag or short

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Re: Fur friendly [Re: Scott__aR] #7157402
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My vote is a 55gr soft point

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At standard velocity you are looking for a bullet that doesn’t expand at all. AKA. FMJ Although bone strikes will still be a problem due to secondary projectiles being created. The other choice is a highly frangible bullet that completely blows up inside the target animal and doesn’t exit at all. Downside to these types of bullets is they sometimes do exit with large wounds or they “splash “ on wet fur without penetrating the entry side.
The third option if you reload is to build a reduced velocity load that is well below the hydrostatic threshold and limit your range as if you were shooting a .22 Hornet. You can get the 22-250 down to 2k pretty easily, and with a bullet designed for 3600fps exit will be very close to entry.


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Has anyone had any experience with the.22 36gr varmit grenade or possibly the 50gr? I did a very limited test on
Paper but groups were poor so they never got to the fur stage. Testing was in a varmint style.22-250 never tested in a .223.


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Re: Fur friendly [Re: Scott__aR] #7157472
01/27/21 03:25 PM
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I have only shot maybe a dozen coyotes with my .22-250 but I've been using 45gr HP ammo (Winchester white box) and thus far there has been no damage whatsoever. Often I can't even find the hole until I skin them. --- that said the next 10 may be blown to pieces, I guess time will tell.

55gr HP in my AR .223 has been producing similar results. (Hornady Steel Match)

Re: Fur friendly [Re: Scott__aR] #7157479
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Sierra 52 grain match hollow points. Little bitty hole in the hide, grape jelly on the inside. Dead right there, been using them for years

Re: Fur friendly [Re: Scott__aR] #7157487
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It's always a crap shoot with frangible's, I've shot my 22-250 and killed a lot of dogs with it, now will only use solids and try to pick my shot as best I can. I've just stopped shooting any kind of hollow point in it.

Same with my 204, but stopped shooting it until I can reload solids for it as well .

If I can take the body shot usually its just a small hole on both sides, with a hollow point if I'm lucky and it does not hit a rib, no exit, if not you learn to sew LOL

Solids just a small hole each side unless it hits bone, then your sewing again.


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Re: Fur friendly [Re: Scott__aR] #7158176
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50 grain Nosler ballistic tip at around 3650 fps.

Close second is a 52 grain Sierra HPBT at about the same speed.

Best balance of “fur friendliness” and coyote anchoring potential.

Re: Fur friendly [Re: Trappercass] #7158191
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Originally Posted by Trappercass
My vote is a 55gr soft point

That's what I like out of my 22-250 and 243. Shot one tonight with the 22-250, small hole in, quarter size hole after hitting rib on exit.

Re: Fur friendly [Re: Scott__aR] #7158204
01/28/21 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Scott__aR
I need some advice, looking for opinions on the most fur friendly round for the .22-250. I always used the 17 Remington for coyotes; however, depending on who you talk with in the Wisconsin DNR the 17 Rem is not adequate (no longer allowed)??
What bullets won't tear the fur all up on exit or striking bone?

Thanks for some direction.


talk with your warden he she will be the one who would issue the ticket or warning , they are dong a lot of warnings on things this year with the bad re-write.

My warden was going to write the guy in Green County that poached a trophy buck with a 17hmr a ticket for unreasonable equipment in addition to poaching and he was specifically told by his chief and the policy guy , the way it is written if it worked and worked well it can't be unreasonable.

17hmr for a fox or coyote is not unreasonable
a 204 ruger is not unreasonable
it was really intended to be a list of possible reasonable options but the service center call takers are taking it as only allowable
decades of programming on how they read the regs

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Re: Fur friendly [Re: GREENCOUNTYPETE] #7158236
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE

talk with your warden he she will be the one who would issue the ticket or warning , they are dong a lot of warnings on things this year with the bad re-write.

My warden was going to write the guy in Green County that poached a trophy buck with a 17hmr a ticket for unreasonable equipment in addition to poaching and he was specifically told by his chief and the policy guy , the way it is written if it worked and worked well it can't be unreasonable.

17hmr for a fox or coyote is not unreasonable
a 204 ruger is not unreasonable
it was really intended to be a list of possible reasonable options but the service center call takers are taking it as only allowable
decades of programming on how they read the regs


Shhhhh It's just a reason to get another rifle and scope.

But really, if DNR wardens are 'interpreting law' rather than knowing and enforcing said law, then we all have a problem. I will be hunting across close to half the state of Wisconsin. I don't know how many wardens' jurisdictions I'll be in; but, if they all have a different interpretations the only sage answer is the exceed the suggested minimums.

Imo, the 17 rem in 25gr hp is a mighty fur friendly round, looking to find similar in the 22-250.




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Re: Fur friendly [Re: Scott__aR] #7158383
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I've tried many different bullets out of my 22_250's but have settled on Sierra 55 soft point.
Hammers them from any angle and although it will often exit, they are usually small.


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My 2 favorite bullets are the sierra match king 52 grain and their 55 grain soft point pn 1365 out of my 22 250. Both running around 3600fps the match king i use imr 4064 and the 55 AR comp. Shooting a savage xp hunter.
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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
if you need another gun , carry on


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