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Re: Thermal [Re: Steven 49er] #7169785
02/05/21 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
What resolution Thor did you get? 384 or 640?

I got the 384 knowing I'd most likely not be happy and I'm right lol. Not because it isn't okay the 640 is worth the extra cash.

There is a big difference, mine is the 640 and I have looked through a friends 384.


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Re: Thermal [Re: WadeRyan] #7169787
02/05/21 12:41 AM
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To zero we have been using a self tapping screw ran into a plywood backstop and hitting it quick with a torch. The head of the screw retains the heat well and you get a much finer point to aim at. A longer screw letís you heat the head without transferring heat to the paper or backstop

Re: Thermal [Re: WadeRyan] #7169914
02/05/21 08:31 AM
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Lefty, I think my age is showing. Iíve just got no desire to go stomp through snow anymore. No doubt theyíre running and Iíd be running exposed if I did. Iím just enjoying my warm truck from A-B. Iím also back to working near 60 hours a week. Add on a couple hours a day running traps and I feel tired.

Forgive me for the long post but I enjoyed my first night out. Third stand I set up on a timber with the wind in my face. I figured I had a half a mile before contact. I was sitting on the west side of a hedgerow with the caller out in front of me about 50 yards farther west. We had a weird straight wind out of the west at 5-7 mph.

I scanned the entire 360 no animals in sight. I opened with one lone male howl and then two minutes of female yodel. I shut down the call and scanned. I panned in front of me and then down the hedgerow. I couldnít believe it with no cover other than the hedgerow for about a mile I had five coyotes working the east side of the hedgerow to me (couldnít get a shot through it) they were about 150 yards out.

I switched over to lightning jack hoping to bring them over into the open where I could get a shot. The lead coyote came head over heals right down the hedge and winded me at about 50 yards. Rather then educate them with a questionable shot through the brush I watched them run off. Man what a deal. I could easily identify them. The scope did its job. I just failed and really didnít expect those coyotes to appear out of nothing.

A few things I found on my first run. After waiting a couple minutes after Iíd do the female yodel Iíd get quite a few responses. Issue was they were never where I anticipated them and the wind was rarely in my favor if they came in. Iím thinking I might just do a siren locate before I make stands in the future. I could have been right on top of most of them as I have access to a lot of ground down there. I did have one stand where I had two pairs answering from two different directions (wind in my favor) they never did break the open field.

I was amazed how many angry raccoons will come running to not only the distress sounds but the coyote vocals. I had one raccoon I could hear chattering a 1/4 mile out before it came to investigate. I didnít shoot any but I watched a number of raccoons and possums work the call.

I definitely will have a vice/tripod by next year. Iíve been looking at the Bog. I consider myself to be in pretty good shape and after holding that gun up for 20-30 minutes a stand my arms were fatigued. Figure it will give me a very steady rest as well. Iím sure guys will say they can hold one up for hours but I feel like without a rest after holding it up for a while my shots could have been sub-par.

The monocular for scanning is definitely a must. Steven Iím curious is there a reason you want more recognition? Iím sure you have a reason. I watched deer walk out into the fields last night at 3-400 yards and could easily tell what they were. By 50 yards I could see enough definition to tell a raccoon from a possum. I figure with the monocular I just want to know something is coming not necessarily caring what it is till itís within a couple hundred yards. Definitely telling how animals move and what they are Iím finding out.

All in all I feel like the thermal has been a good investment. If youíre expecting to see their eyeballs as you squeeze the trigger youíre going to be disappointed in a low grade model. I knew that going into it and Iíve been very happy with the scopes performance. I just need to learn to call. Other than raccoons in my younger years Iím really new to calling. I canít imagine the carnage I could have created if thermals existed when raccoons were $20 a hide.

I went into it knowing I didnít have a $3-9k dollar scope and I think thatís the key. As long as you realize itís not going to be perfection the entry level ATNís seem to do everything I wanted. Itís a heck of a rush when something appears out of nowhere. Iíll be honest when I had five coyotes milling towards me it was quite the feeling they didnít have a clue I was there until the ol wind got me.


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Re: Thermal [Re: WadeRyan] #7169958
02/05/21 09:34 AM
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I have the AGM25 monocular it was 1600.00 thought that was a lot till I looked at scopes the one I have is great at a distance in open field but I the brush it only good to about 50 to 100 feet.

Re: Thermal [Re: WadeRyan] #7170037
02/05/21 10:54 AM
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Great stuff guys, keep it coming.

On the monocular side I was looking for something with longer identification range, say +500 yards with a decent sized field of view to use for scanning while calling, scouting, and checking traps in the dark from a distance.

Guys with thermal experience which would you purchase first a monocular or a scope?

My thought is a monocular is first because it is more versatile and can perform several functions and I can still use a light and regular scope at the point of taking a predator while night hunting. If I went with a scope first I would be more limited in my usage until I also had a monocular.

What are the best monoculars available in the $2000 range?

Does anyone know the life expectancy of a thermal monocular/scope? Seems like regular night vision equipment is about 5 or so years.

Re: Thermal [Re: WadeRyan] #7170043
02/05/21 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by WadeRyan


I switched over to lightning jack hoping to bring them over into the open where I could get a shot. The lead coyote came head over heals right down the hedge and winded me at about 50 yards. Rather then educate them with a questionable shot through the brush I watched them run off..






Hate to break it to you, if he winded you.........you educated them.

Re: Thermal [Re: WadeRyan] #7170054
02/05/21 11:12 AM
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I suppose I did Boone, Iím not much of a caller. It sure is fun though. He definitely winded me stopped on a dime and was gone with his friends in tow. Was still quite a time and sight to see. Thereís definitely a learning curve.

Duckie look at that one that Steven mentioned earlier. Itís in your price range and exceeds your distance.


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Re: Thermal [Re: WadeRyan] #7170063
02/05/21 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by WadeRyan

The monocular for scanning is definitely a must. Steven Iím curious is there a reason you want more recognition? Iím sure you have a reason. I watched deer walk out into the fields last night at 3-400 yards and could easily tell what they were. By 50 yards I could see enough definition to tell a raccoon from a possum. I figure with the monocular I just want to know something is coming not necessarily caring what it is till itís within a couple hundred yards. Definitely telling how animals move and what they are Iím finding out.







I do a lot of scanning wade even when the caller isn't running. I've looked through the sub $1000 monocular and the 2200 plus ones. Personally I don't think you'll be happy with unit you are looking at. I know I wasn't. Recognition at a hundred to 200 yards and the game could be over unless you are in tight quarters.

I spent 2200 on my scope, I'm seriously kicking myself for not going into the 640 resolution around the $4000 price point. I managed to borrow my buddies Pulsar monocular for as he's unable to hunt for awhile. That may change my mind about my scope.

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Re: Thermal [Re: WadeRyan] #7170079
02/05/21 11:24 AM
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Fair enough Steven Iím definitely looking at the one you mentioned using. Whatís another couple thousand right? The sky is definitely the limit on how crazy a guy could go and Iím pretty much enjoying how easy it is to just pack up the truck and go. A lot less labor intensive compared to trapping.

Weíre supposed to be as low as -6 without the wind the next week and Iím still anticipating when I can get back out. We can kill coyotes year around here and I think I can justify something I can use 365.


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Re: Thermal [Re: WadeRyan] #7170081
02/05/21 11:24 AM
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There is a huge learning curve, especially on how you set up.

Control of the ground is important in daylight but it is of the UTMOST importance at night. Especially if your calling.

You need to see them early, and be able to keep eyes on them.

With the limited FOV of these units, they drop into a little depression, get in some heavy cover, and you loose them. Meanwhile theyíre moving around getting your wind while you scan scan scan trying to pick them back up.

I FIRMLY believe most guys have no clue how many coyotes theyíre educating with these things when theyíre ďrunning and gunningĒ. They can come so hard and fast at night, throw in a poor setup, and with the severe limitations of the whole thing from a target acquisition standpoint, they just never see them. Thatís why I donít like calling with one. Much prefer to sit on a bait or kill with it.

I think weíre gonna see the whole ďFoxpro phenomenonĒ happen all over again.

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Re: Thermal [Re: Boone Liane] #7170709
02/05/21 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Boone Liane
There is a huge learning curve, especially on how you set up.

Control of the ground is important in daylight but it is of the UTMOST importance at night. Especially if your calling.

You need to see them early, and be able to keep eyes on them.

With the limited FOV of these units, they drop into a little depression, get in some heavy cover, and you loose them. Meanwhile theyíre moving around getting your wind while you scan scan scan trying to pick them back up.

I FIRMLY believe most guys have no clue how many coyotes theyíre educating with these things when theyíre ďrunning and gunningĒ. They can come so hard and fast at night, throw in a poor setup, and with the severe limitations of the whole thing from a target acquisition standpoint, they just never see them. Thatís why I donít like calling with one. Much prefer to sit on a bait or kill with it.

I think weíre gonna see the whole ďFoxpro phenomenonĒ happen all over again.


I definitely was amazed at how fast they covered the mile. I highly doubt thermals are going to make that big of an impact in general. They aren't something the majority of people can just walk out and grab one although they are becoming more economical. Good news for you is I'm a long way from Montana and it's very enjoyable to do something new. I'll probably educate some coyotes in the process but it's a hoot. I'm not a professional so it's not really of concern to me.


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Re: Thermal [Re: Boone Liane] #7170833
02/05/21 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Boone Liane
Originally Posted by WadeRyan


I switched over to lightning jack hoping to bring them over into the open where I could get a shot. The lead coyote came head over heals right down the hedge and winded me at about 50 yards. Rather then educate them with a questionable shot through the brush I watched them run off..






Hate to break it to you, if he winded you.........you educated them.

Yup

Re: Thermal [Re: Boone Liane] #7170839
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Originally Posted by Boone Liane
There is a huge learning curve, especially on how you set up.

Control of the ground is important in daylight but it is of the UTMOST importance at night. Especially if your calling.

You need to see them early, and be able to keep eyes on them.

With the limited FOV of these units, they drop into a little depression, get in some heavy cover, and you loose them. Meanwhile theyíre moving around getting your wind while you scan scan scan trying to pick them back up.

I FIRMLY believe most guys have no clue how many coyotes theyíre educating with these things when theyíre ďrunning and gunningĒ. They can come so hard and fast at night, throw in a poor setup, and with the severe limitations of the whole thing from a target acquisition standpoint, they just never see them. Thatís why I donít like calling with one. Much prefer to sit on a bait or kill with it.

I think weíre gonna see the whole ďFoxpro phenomenonĒ happen all over again.

Sounds good, here it's more open, but ya if you blow it, or don't know they winded you , they got more cautious

Re: Thermal [Re: WadeRyan] #7177181
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Any hunt updates??

Re: Thermal [Re: WadeRyan] #7177187
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From folks with the high dollar thermals, they say spend the money on a monocular and go with NV for the gun. They can scout from a distance then sneak in to call.
Also the BOG DeathGrip is a real good tripod. Bought one for the 6yr old to use on deer.

Re: Thermal [Re: WadeRyan] #7181187
02/13/21 10:41 PM
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Duckie, I've been out one more time since the first real night of calling. It's just miserable here right now. The last night I went out was about -7 without the wind by midnight. Had a few groups answer the female yodel but no movement in range and they were way out. I went with a guy that's been calling all year in our area. The scope worked well down to those temperatures without a glitch. It was our first real night of bitter cold and not a whole lot of anything was moving. Everything was bunkered down.

I did have a red tail hawk come into the rabbit one night and at 50 yards I could tell what he was as soon as his wings opened up. He definitely didn't look "right" compared to what I'd seen in the scope so far. We are looking at -13 to -18 nights here this weekend but I'm already working. If I can get a night closer to zero I might go give it another run. He showed me some of the things that have helped him. He's shot a number of coyotes, bobcats, and a few fox this winter with his. His favorite place to call is abandoned rail road tracks. He just calls with the wind and sets up in an opening. He said he's had up to three coyotes and one cat off one stand barreling down the tracks to him. The cat was last and he missed it.

I was also perplexed as I followed him. I've been walking into locations as I've still got the stealth mode attached to me as if I was calling during the day. He just drives his truck right out into the middle of the sections depending on wind direction and sets up 20 yards from his truck. He doesn't wait as long to start calling as I'd anticipated either. Literally calling as soon as he had the call out on the ground. I'm sure he's missing some coyotes that way but he's been enjoying himself this winter and has a couple of deep freezers of fur he wanted me to sell for him so.....it's had to have worked enough to keep him happy. He is a state trooper and does have a suppressor which I'm assuming helps with the multiple coyotes at a time.


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Re: Thermal [Re: WadeRyan] #7181214
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They are more expensive but seriously look at scanners with laser rangefinder in them. One of the biggest challenges at night is judging distance, and many times when you call in multiple coyotes itís easy to shoot the first one at under 100 yards then the others will scatter but not nearly like they do in daylight, have many coyotes stop at 3-400 yards and bark at me. If you donít know exact distance itís hard to make that shot.

Re: Thermal [Re: WadeRyan] #7181223
02/13/21 11:00 PM
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Wade you'll find out this night hunting is a rabbit hole and can get really expensive. A suppressor isn't necessary but I'm glad I have mine. Second shots and not waking up the neighbors is nice.

As far as the conditions you are calling in, it's cold to you but almost normal here, your gear will handle it no problem. Once it gets below -20 I generally shut it down, not because the equipment wont handle it but because I'm getting older and lazy lol.

Re: Thermal [Re: WadeRyan] #7181241
02/13/21 11:10 PM
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Tray, I noticed that the first night as I watched a raccoon come across the field depth perception was definitely off. With the .223 and 55g ammo I am shooting I am looking at a kill shot without much hesitation out to 200 yards. After that I'd probably have to do some adjustments. I am in Nebraska but it's not quite like the sandhills where I am. For the most part 200 yards is plenty...we have a lot of rolling creeks and timbers in my area. There's some places where you can see for miles but not many.

Steven I've got family up in Minnesota and they'd probably be sitting on the porch drinking a beer with our weather we are having now. We only have about two weeks of this type of weather here a year. We stay colder than a lot of places but we don't hit sub-zero all that often. Heck they're talking about calling off school the first two days of next week. I was excited to be out calling and I was dressed to do it. I actually didn't feel all that bad. The guy I was with finally looked at me and 0030 and told me his truck was reading -7 and he wasn't cut out for it anymore. I think I could have kept going for quite a while. Nothing seemed to be on the move at all though. Minus the hawk I couldn't find anything. The nights prior I'd seen plenty of animal movement even non-targets.

I'm not real worried about a suppressor. I thought about starting the paperwork as they are telling me 8-9 months but I have a guy I work with that's an old NRA instructor that builds his own. The paperwork takes less than a month that route. If I do go for one I will probably have him drill me one. I don't have any desire to kill all the coyotes. I'm just enjoying what I've done so far. I'm sure it would be nice to have one but there's other guns/combos/thermals/ etc. etc. I'd like to get going on first.

I can see that it will get expensive in the long run and I am okay with that. I mean people pay 1000's of dollars to go shoot an animal over a barrel of corn so there has to be worse things out there. I can for the first time in close to 20 years say that I've thought about something more than trapping this coming fall. I honestly have my traps I pulled in December still piled in totes and haven't gave them two looks. I was watching a video the other night where they set up a dead pit in South Dakota and took coyotes often with up to 4 out of 8 one night. They put out some round bales to get closer to them un-detected. I've got a feedlot with some old round bales that might be of use after all. It appears the sky's the limit of what you can get yourself into.

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Re: Thermal [Re: WadeRyan] #7181294
02/13/21 11:47 PM
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Wade, I'm seriously considering building my next suppressor.

I ordered mine last year from SilencerCentral in late January, got it around the first week in October

Here when it's minus 7 the kids wear shorts to school lol.

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