Re: Thermal
[Re: Steven 49er]
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02/05/21 12:38 AM
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What resolution Thor did you get? 384 or 640?
I got the 384 knowing I'd most likely not be happy and I'm right lol. Not because it isn't okay the 640 is worth the extra cash. There is a big difference, mine is the 640 and I have looked through a friends 384.
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Re: Thermal
[Re: WadeRyan]
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02/05/21 11:03 AM
02/05/21 11:03 AM
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Boone Liane
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I switched over to lightning jack hoping to bring them over into the open where I could get a shot. The lead coyote came head over heals right down the hedge and winded me at about 50 yards. Rather then educate them with a questionable shot through the brush I watched them run off..
Hate to break it to you, if he winded you.........you educated them.
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Re: Thermal
[Re: WadeRyan]
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02/05/21 11:16 AM
02/05/21 11:16 AM
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Steven 49er
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The monocular for scanning is definitely a must. Steven I’m curious is there a reason you want more recognition? I’m sure you have a reason. I watched deer walk out into the fields last night at 3-400 yards and could easily tell what they were. By 50 yards I could see enough definition to tell a raccoon from a possum. I figure with the monocular I just want to know something is coming not necessarily caring what it is till it’s within a couple hundred yards. Definitely telling how animals move and what they are I’m finding out.
I do a lot of scanning wade even when the caller isn't running. I've looked through the sub $1000 monocular and the 2200 plus ones. Personally I don't think you'll be happy with unit you are looking at. I know I wasn't. Recognition at a hundred to 200 yards and the game could be over unless you are in tight quarters. I spent 2200 on my scope, I'm seriously kicking myself for not going into the 640 resolution around the $4000 price point. I managed to borrow my buddies Pulsar monocular for as he's unable to hunt for awhile. That may change my mind about my scope.
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Re: Thermal
[Re: WadeRyan]
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02/05/21 11:24 AM
02/05/21 11:24 AM
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There is a huge learning curve, especially on how you set up.
Control of the ground is important in daylight but it is of the UTMOST importance at night. Especially if your calling.
You need to see them early, and be able to keep eyes on them.
With the limited FOV of these units, they drop into a little depression, get in some heavy cover, and you loose them. Meanwhile they’re moving around getting your wind while you scan scan scan trying to pick them back up.
I FIRMLY believe most guys have no clue how many coyotes they’re educating with these things when they’re “running and gunning”. They can come so hard and fast at night, throw in a poor setup, and with the severe limitations of the whole thing from a target acquisition standpoint, they just never see them. That’s why I don’t like calling with one. Much prefer to sit on a bait or kill with it.
I think we’re gonna see the whole “Foxpro phenomenon” happen all over again.
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Re: Thermal
[Re: Boone Liane]
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02/05/21 10:39 PM
02/05/21 10:39 PM
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WadeRyan
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There is a huge learning curve, especially on how you set up.
Control of the ground is important in daylight but it is of the UTMOST importance at night. Especially if your calling.
You need to see them early, and be able to keep eyes on them.
With the limited FOV of these units, they drop into a little depression, get in some heavy cover, and you loose them. Meanwhile they’re moving around getting your wind while you scan scan scan trying to pick them back up.
I FIRMLY believe most guys have no clue how many coyotes they’re educating with these things when they’re “running and gunning”. They can come so hard and fast at night, throw in a poor setup, and with the severe limitations of the whole thing from a target acquisition standpoint, they just never see them. That’s why I don’t like calling with one. Much prefer to sit on a bait or kill with it.
I think we’re gonna see the whole “Foxpro phenomenon” happen all over again. I definitely was amazed at how fast they covered the mile. I highly doubt thermals are going to make that big of an impact in general. They aren't something the majority of people can just walk out and grab one although they are becoming more economical. Good news for you is I'm a long way from Montana and it's very enjoyable to do something new. I'll probably educate some coyotes in the process but it's a hoot. I'm not a professional so it's not really of concern to me.
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Re: Thermal
[Re: Boone Liane]
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02/05/21 11:54 PM
02/05/21 11:54 PM
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I switched over to lightning jack hoping to bring them over into the open where I could get a shot. The lead coyote came head over heals right down the hedge and winded me at about 50 yards. Rather then educate them with a questionable shot through the brush I watched them run off..
Hate to break it to you, if he winded you.........you educated them. Yup
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Re: Thermal
[Re: Boone Liane]
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02/05/21 11:56 PM
02/05/21 11:56 PM
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There is a huge learning curve, especially on how you set up.
Control of the ground is important in daylight but it is of the UTMOST importance at night. Especially if your calling.
You need to see them early, and be able to keep eyes on them.
With the limited FOV of these units, they drop into a little depression, get in some heavy cover, and you loose them. Meanwhile they’re moving around getting your wind while you scan scan scan trying to pick them back up.
I FIRMLY believe most guys have no clue how many coyotes they’re educating with these things when they’re “running and gunning”. They can come so hard and fast at night, throw in a poor setup, and with the severe limitations of the whole thing from a target acquisition standpoint, they just never see them. That’s why I don’t like calling with one. Much prefer to sit on a bait or kill with it.
I think we’re gonna see the whole “Foxpro phenomenon” happen all over again. Sounds good, here it's more open, but ya if you blow it, or don't know they winded you , they got more cautious
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Re: Thermal
[Re: WadeRyan]
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02/13/21 11:00 PM
02/13/21 11:00 PM
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Steven 49er
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Wade you'll find out this night hunting is a rabbit hole and can get really expensive. A suppressor isn't necessary but I'm glad I have mine. Second shots and not waking up the neighbors is nice.
As far as the conditions you are calling in, it's cold to you but almost normal here, your gear will handle it no problem. Once it gets below -20 I generally shut it down, not because the equipment wont handle it but because I'm getting older and lazy lol.
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Re: Thermal
[Re: WadeRyan]
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02/13/21 11:10 PM
02/13/21 11:10 PM
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Tray, I noticed that the first night as I watched a raccoon come across the field depth perception was definitely off. With the .223 and 55g ammo I am shooting I am looking at a kill shot without much hesitation out to 200 yards. After that I'd probably have to do some adjustments. I am in Nebraska but it's not quite like the sandhills where I am. For the most part 200 yards is plenty...we have a lot of rolling creeks and timbers in my area. There's some places where you can see for miles but not many.
Steven I've got family up in Minnesota and they'd probably be sitting on the porch drinking a beer with our weather we are having now. We only have about two weeks of this type of weather here a year. We stay colder than a lot of places but we don't hit sub-zero all that often. Heck they're talking about calling off school the first two days of next week. I was excited to be out calling and I was dressed to do it. I actually didn't feel all that bad. The guy I was with finally looked at me and 0030 and told me his truck was reading -7 and he wasn't cut out for it anymore. I think I could have kept going for quite a while. Nothing seemed to be on the move at all though. Minus the hawk I couldn't find anything. The nights prior I'd seen plenty of animal movement even non-targets.
I'm not real worried about a suppressor. I thought about starting the paperwork as they are telling me 8-9 months but I have a guy I work with that's an old NRA instructor that builds his own. The paperwork takes less than a month that route. If I do go for one I will probably have him drill me one. I don't have any desire to kill all the coyotes. I'm just enjoying what I've done so far. I'm sure it would be nice to have one but there's other guns/combos/thermals/ etc. etc. I'd like to get going on first.
I can see that it will get expensive in the long run and I am okay with that. I mean people pay 1000's of dollars to go shoot an animal over a barrel of corn so there has to be worse things out there. I can for the first time in close to 20 years say that I've thought about something more than trapping this coming fall. I honestly have my traps I pulled in December still piled in totes and haven't gave them two looks. I was watching a video the other night where they set up a dead pit in South Dakota and took coyotes often with up to 4 out of 8 one night. They put out some round bales to get closer to them un-detected. I've got a feedlot with some old round bales that might be of use after all. It appears the sky's the limit of what you can get yourself into.
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Re: Thermal
[Re: WadeRyan]
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02/13/21 11:47 PM
02/13/21 11:47 PM
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Steven 49er
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Wade, I'm seriously considering building my next suppressor.
I ordered mine last year from SilencerCentral in late January, got it around the first week in October
Here when it's minus 7 the kids wear shorts to school lol.
"Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.
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