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The gulag of archipelago #7173129
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Has anyone read this book? I was just going to start it and realized I have the abridge version and I am wondering before I start if I should read the real whole one?

Re: The gulag Archipelago [Re: Jacks] #7173164
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Translation from Russian are a tough read.
Just reading the first chapter will have you seeing parallels to current events.
It looks like our current service members may soon have to deal with the same sort of political commissars that sent the author to prison

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I'm just a soul whose intentions are good. O Lord please don't let me be misunderstood.
Re: The gulag Archipelago [Re: Jacks] #7173320
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I read it around 1976-7. It should open anyone's eyes who is reading it today.

the bottom line from the book is this...IMO.

"What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if... people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport ...." - Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn


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Yep^^^


"And God said, Let us make man in our image �and let them have dominion �and all the creatures that move along the ground".
Genesis 1:26
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Thanks White17, I am suddenly in a better mood now.


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Re: The gulag Archipelago [Re: Jacks] #7173335
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Good read


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Germans went to the Russian empire sometime in the early 1800s The Russian government wanted good farmers to exploit what is now parts of southern Russia and Ukraine that Catherine the Great had taken from the Turks (Ottoman empire). The Russian tsar gave the Germans a good deal; 1) they didn't have to learn Russian,, 2) they could do their own faith--didn't need to become Russian Orthodox, 3) didn't have to pay all the taxes other subjects did, and 4) would not be conscripted into the Russian military. My "folks" headed down the Danube in 1815 soon after Napoleon lost at Waterloo. Once they hit the Black Sea, they went northeast around Crimea and ended up about 70 miles inland from the Sea of Azov.

They had a pretty good gig for about 2 generations and then in the early 1870s, the Russian government changed the rules. I don't know if all four of the above exemptions were removed but there were changes and a number of the Germans decided it was time to split. My "folks" village of about 600 had a series of meetings and about 2/3rds of them decided to head to the United States and homestead in Dakota Territory. They were the first wave of "Germans from Russia" to get out, and each "wave" found it harder, usually pushed by a "crisis", the last being WWII. But not everybody left, either in the early 1870s or later.

We found out later that several of my Great Grandfather's cousins stayed behind in the 1870s and their families were still in the old village until the early 1930s. It seems that these families survived a couple of Russian revolutions and WWI but it was Stalin's purges that caught up with them around 1933. My distant "cousins" were targeted because they were males with German names and at least one, if not several, were "lay" pastors of their local, perhaps by then underground, churches. My one cousin was greatly into genealogy and made several trips to the post- Soviet Union to do research. On one of his trips, he found out that the Russian government had released a lot of archival materials from the old NVKD (the predecessor to the KGB). To his surprise, he was able to find files on these guys that had our same last name. My cousin shared what he found at one of our family reunions. I wish I would have gotten copies of what he showed, maybe I still can from his family.

My cousin showed the NVKD "mug shots" of 3 of these guys. The photos were in black and white and it was obvious that the men had been beaten. And they were scared. All 3 were sent to Siberia and escaped the fate of immediate Soviet firing squads. Perhaps Stalin, being a former seminary student, enjoyed the idea of pastors dying more slowly in the gulags from various things. But, at least one of these guys had the last laugh and survived Siberia and the gulags, and after Stalin's death, some of his regime's "excesses" were cleaned up a bit by allowing some of these surviving prisoners to be released after they "promised" to be good Soviet citizens. My cousin showed a copy of the "promise" letter "our guy" that made it through the gulags had signed. It was dated in the late 1950s, so this distant cousin had probably been in Siberia as a prisoner for over 20 years.

I'm going to try to get copies of those mugshot photos and the "promise" letter for my records. Maybe I'll show the documents to a few woke youngsters and ask them if these guys still had "white privilege" after this all happened? I won't go as peacefully as my "cousins" did if the door gets kicked in sometime down the line...

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Re: The gulag Archipelago [Re: Jacks] #7173604
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FlyinFinn recommended it to me and I mentioned it to my wife. Not long afterwards I came home to a package and when I opened it the 3 volume set was inside.

It's slow reading, gets a little thick and long-winded in spots. But it's interesting.

Mike


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Re: The gulag Archipelago [Re: Jacks] #7173606
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When it comes time...as pointed out by White...make two groups suffer. The people who made it possible for these socialists to be in power and anyone who is enforcing the unconstitutional edicts/laws.


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Re: The gulag Archipelago [Re: Marty] #7173608
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Originally Posted by Marty
When it comes time...as pointed out by White...make two groups suffer. The people who made it possible for these socialists to be in power and anyone who is enforcing the unconstitutional edicts/laws.


Amen.

Mike


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About 3 years ago my wife and two of her gal friends visited St. Petersburg to see museums and such. They had a Russian woman as a guide for 5 days. This woman was very well educated and as the days went by they learned that she and many other Russians thought things were much better under Stalin than afterwards. They also said that the numbers given about deaths in the gulags were highly exagerated in the book and that Solzhenitsyn was a puppet of the west. I guess if Stalin thought you were towing the line you were OK. The many Ukraniens I've met in my travels in northern Alberta don't side with the tour guide to say the least.

I've seen several documentaries here about the subject and have no doubts about the quantity and severity of the gulags. Amazing how many people actually survived years of outdoor work in Siberia, but no doubt that millions died.

There are also a good number of huge beautiful houses here on the coast built by Russians who fled the last Revolution. Alot of the prime real estate in France is owned by wealthy friends of Putin.

Pete


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Re: The gulag Archipelago [Re: Mike in A-town] #7173618
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Originally Posted by Mike in A-town
Originally Posted by Marty
When it comes time...as pointed out by White...make two groups suffer. The people who made it possible for these socialists to be in power and anyone who is enforcing the unconstitutional edicts/laws.


Amen.

Mike

Yes.

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Great book, read all his books, makes you think about what is happening here. I lost many a Ukrainian relative to Stalin and his evil tactics. Read another book, I believe the title is "execution by starvation"

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Read a quote by a Jewish survivor of the holocaust that basically said the same thing, essentially, if each Jew, or Jewish family rounded up had killed one german soldier or SS member, the whole thing would have collapsed due to the attrition of the rounder uppers....

Re: The gulag Archipelago [Re: swift4me] #7173875
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My friends father was in a gulag and only thing that saved him was the start of WWII, they needed soldiers. He went in at 245 lbs. and came out at 110lbs. My grand parents always said never trust a Russian.

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