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Re: Picking up my beef !! [Re: topknot] #7176240
02/10/21 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by topknot
I am not sure how you are paying 1.32$ per pound hanging weight, which includes processing! Around hear your going to be paying around 4$ minimum hanging weight with processing fees separate.

Thats way above market value. I believe the market value on a fat beef is around $1.88 hanging

Last edited by Yes sir; 02/10/21 09:37 AM.
Re: Picking up my beef !! [Re: jbyrd63] #7176253
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They must be buying some awefully cheap fat cattle to make that price.

Re: Picking up my beef !! [Re: danny clifton] #7176255
02/10/21 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Yes storage is not cheap. But just the high cost of burger will pencil out the cost of electricity. to many people have to have profit from the grocery store beef.

The guy selling calves, the trucker hauling calves to the feed lot. the feedlot, the trucker hauling commodities to the feed lot, the trucker hauling fat cattle to the processer, the processer, the trucker hauling beef to the distribution center, the distribution center, the trucker hauling groceries to the retail outlet, and finally the retail outlet.

Electricity and a freezer is still cheaper than all that. At least I think it is.


No room for beef when the freezers are all full of 3 dollar beaver hides!

Re: Picking up my beef !! [Re: danny clifton] #7176262
02/10/21 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
P.S. Crit R Dun, I've been to many many commercial chicken processing plants and barns and feed mills. I do like the eggs my daughter and her husband collect from their free ranging birds. When you feed your meat birds feed from a bag, they are no different than what Tyson is butchering.


The place i buy bulk meats Restaurant Depot i can get chicken leg Qtrs. for 34cents a lb. 40 lb. case


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Re: Picking up my beef !! [Re: jbyrd63] #7176270
02/10/21 10:13 AM
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I sell mine as cheap as I can and still make a little over what a 600# calf would have sold for and 120 days of feed. I sold 3 for $1.20 and kept one for my self. They were heifers and weighed 1050#,they were not my best black angus calves. They were good calves but ones that had a white spot or a short tail that calf buyer would have paid less for. Meat will be about 50% the way I have it cut. Processing is close to $400. total cost 1.2x1050=1260+400=1660 pounds of meat 1050x.50=525
1660/525=3.16/# I think I'm selling cheaper than most but selling to friends and family. Fat cattle were 1.12 to 1.15 so I went above that some. Lots of local producers sell at $1.50 to 1.65/# live weight.

Re: Picking up my beef !! [Re: jbyrd63] #7176272
02/10/21 10:15 AM
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Will pick mine up next week.

Re: Picking up my beef !! [Re: jbyrd63] #7176279
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Bought a steer from buddy who does it for a living, less than 3 per lb and super quality. Only way to go.

Re: Picking up my beef !! [Re: jbyrd63] #7176287
02/10/21 10:35 AM
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In Wyo. you go over and eat at the nieghbors to see what your beef tastes like! grin

Re: Picking up my beef !! [Re: jbyrd63] #7176289
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When I trapped around many chicken houses in Arkansas I got to know a chicken farmer quite well. He taught me a couple a things about raising chicks to broiler size birds.

Like how they put on their weight so fast. It just wasnt from feeding plain mash, grain feed and water. I was told they added arsenic to their feed to increase their growth rate in a shorter period of time. This wasn't done by the farmer but was pre mixed into the feed when brought and put into the feed hoppers.

This may be common knowledge to those in the chicken business but I was a bit concerned when told. I laid off buying Tyson and Wayne Foods chicken after that.

Re: Picking up my beef !! [Re: Bob Jameson] #7176318
02/10/21 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Bob Jameson
When I trapped around many chicken houses in Arkansas I got to know a chicken farmer quite well. He taught me a couple a things about raising chicks to broiler size birds.

Like how they put on their weight so fast. It just wasnt from feeding plain mash, grain feed and water. I was told they added arsenic to their feed to increase their growth rate in a shorter period of time. This wasn't done by the farmer but was pre mixed into the feed when brought and put into the feed hoppers.

This may be common knowledge to those in the chicken business but I was a bit concerned when told. I laid off buying Tyson and Wayne Foods chicken after that.

Chickens are not fed arsenic and never have been. He was mistaken, but he wasn't lying. Arsenic is natural and organic and other foods can convert into minute amounts of arsenic when eaten.

https://www.chickencheck.in/faq/arsenic-chicken/

Re: Picking up my beef !! [Re: Yes sir] #7176328
02/10/21 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Yes sir
Originally Posted by topknot
I am not sure how you are paying 1.32$ per pound hanging weight, which includes processing! Around hear your going to be paying around 4$ minimum hanging weight with processing fees separate.

Thats way above market value. I believe the market value on a fat beef is around $1.88 hanging

this is correct.

Re: Picking up my beef !! [Re: jbyrd63] #7176406
02/10/21 12:19 PM
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No he was not mistaken, and shared that info on several occasions as reference to fast growth. I know the facts from that time frame of when I was working the chicken farms and surrounding areas for predator control.

This was during the 90's to early 2000's. Things may have changed from those years but it did occur and was common practice in those years. Organic or not, aresenic is still arsenic. It was a growth stimulator. It was used and labeled as a feed medicine but used none the less.

Re: Picking up my beef !! [Re: danny clifton] #7176414
02/10/21 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
P.S. Crit R Dun, I've been to many many commercial chicken processing plants and barns and feed mills. I do like the eggs my daughter and her husband collect from their free ranging birds. When you feed your meat birds feed from a bag, they are no different than what Tyson is butchering.



On the surface it may appear that way. But take mine for example yes I feed a commercial feed but there is much more to it than that. Conditions being primary.

My meat birds stay in a wood frame enclosed for predator protection. The bottom is open as are 2/3rods the top and sides that have chicken wire. It gets moved once or twice a day on to fresh grass. Once when they are small twice as they grow out. They get sun and open air, catch bugs and get to scratch and eat grass along with their feed. They don't sit in their own filth and have to be medicated because of the airborne poo particle they are breathing in causing micro abrasions in their lungs.

They are healthier and they for taste better. Its apparent if you cook one of mine and a store bought bird. The broth from the store bird will have a gray tinted appearance not noticeable until directly with one of my birds.

My egg birds get moved around the farm with the goats and sheep. Their coup is built on a 16' car trailer and stays inside the electro net fence the goats and sheep stay in. They also get commercial feed with some added sunflower seeds. But they free range inside the rotational grazing fence and eat lots of bugs and vegetation.

I have a lot of customers that agree and pay $5lb.and 4.50 dozen eggs And pick them up from the farm.

I guess if someone is raising them in the traditional poop filled mud runs you may be correct on there not being much different.

Last edited by Providence Farm; 02/10/21 12:24 PM.
Re: Picking up my beef !! [Re: jbyrd63] #7176420
02/10/21 12:29 PM
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It gets worse Bob Jameson. During the same time frame I used to day wage for anybody that more than a few thousand head of cattle and paid cash up in Kansas. One guy kept getting in pot load after pot load of cattle from Missouri (Misery) and they always stunk like the trucker hadn't washed his trailer in weeks.

One day I ask one of the truckers where those stinkin suckers were coming from and he said down the road from the turkey and chicken yards (big corporate farms- actually more like huge or yuge as they say). He said they feed the back ground calves a mixture that included the bird droppings.

Most of those cattle ended up sellin to National Beef and were then marketed under their certified black angus label.
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Re: Picking up my beef !! [Re: Bob Jameson] #7176421
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Originally Posted by Bob Jameson
No he was not mistaken, and shared that info on several occasions as reference to fast growth. I know the facts from that time frame of when I was working the chicken farms and surrounding areas for predator control.

This was during the 90's to early 2000's. Things may have changed from those years but it did occur and was common practice in those years. Organic or not, aresenic is still arsenic. It was a growth stimulator. It was used and labeled as a feed medicine but used none the less.



Again, yes he was. As are you I suppose. They have never been fed arsenic. You can read the link I provided, or you can Google for your own results. They will all tell you the same thing. This is how people become so ignorant regarding their food, they believe anything they're told or see on the internet. Now this is one more time this false information has been put on on the web, for millions of people to find.

Re: Picking up my beef !! [Re: jbyrd63] #7176424
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Just to re-affirm my dominance, I want everyone to know I can pee pee farther than Bob Jameson of M. Magnus either one cool


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Re: Picking up my beef !! [Re: jbyrd63] #7176459
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I am sure if the internet says different he must have been lying to me. I am sure Google wouldnt publish non factual information. Really?? I knew these operators personally and saw the feed analysis provided with their required feeds paperwork at the time.


"Quote" Google

Even though science shows that such low levels of arsenic do not harm chickens or the people eating them, feed containing 3-Nitro roxarsone (arsenic) was removed from the market in June of 2011 and it is no longer used in raising broilers in the United States.

I wonder why this feed/medication was pulled from use. Which means it was widely accepted and used during the time frame I discussed.

Re: Picking up my beef !! [Re: Leftlane] #7176501
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Originally Posted by Leftlane
Just to re-affirm my dominance, I want everyone to know I can pee pee farther than Bob Jameson of M. Magnus either one cool


I remember my boy doing a trajectory test one morning. He aimed high on the wall...did better than I could have. I didn't stay mad long, kind of admired his gumption.

Re: Picking up my beef !! [Re: Providence Farm] #7176523
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by danny clifton
P.S. Crit R Dun, I've been to many many commercial chicken processing plants and barns and feed mills. I do like the eggs my daughter and her husband collect from their free ranging birds. When you feed your meat birds feed from a bag, they are no different than what Tyson is butchering.



On the surface it may appear that way. But take mine for example yes I feed a commercial feed but there is much more to it than that. Conditions being primary.

My meat birds stay in a wood frame enclosed for predator protection. The bottom is open as are 2/3rods the top and sides that have chicken wire. It gets moved once or twice a day on to fresh grass. Once when they are small twice as they grow out. They get sun and open air, catch bugs and get to scratch and eat grass along with their feed. They don't sit in their own filth and have to be medicated because of the airborne poo particle they are breathing in causing micro abrasions in their lungs.

They are healthier and they for taste better. Its apparent if you cook one of mine and a store bought bird. The broth from the store bird will have a gray tinted appearance not noticeable until directly with one of my birds.

My egg birds get moved around the farm with the goats and sheep. Their coup is built on a 16' car trailer and stays inside the electro net fence the goats and sheep stay in. They also get commercial feed with some added sunflower seeds. But they free range inside the rotational grazing fence and eat lots of bugs and vegetation.

I have a lot of customers that agree and pay $5lb.and 4.50 dozen eggs And pick them up from the farm.

I guess if someone is raising them in the traditional poop filled mud runs you may be correct on there not being much different.


Some people get it, others don't or choose not to. Just like home grown meat birds costing 3 times what their styrofoam chicken costs.

Re: Picking up my beef !! [Re: M.Magis] #7176586
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Originally Posted by M.Magis
Because if you actually do the math, it makes more sense to just buy the specific cuts you want then to buy the entire beef. Most cattlemen I know don’t even butcher their own, its not worth the cost to feed one. I do my own because I like to butcher, but even with no processing costs it still doesn’t pencil out. And I’ll only consider butchering one that I know I’ll take a beating on at the sale. Any good steer goes to the sale.
And we eat a lot of roasts, most people don’t need near as many as comes from a whole beef. Same for burger, its way more than most people want. Makes better financial sense to buy steaks when you want them.


Of course Magis ANYTHING I do is wrong. BUT you are smoking dope. I just un loaded my beef 573 lbs total 1642.28 bucks total. I had 19 packs of ribeye 1/2 thick and 2 per pack. 15 T-bone packed 2 per pack 1 in cut. Plus tons of burger and roast . steaks galore. The rib eye and t- bones alone would cost more than what I paid for the ENTIRE beef if I bought it at the grocery store. !!!

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