Re: FHA Press release 2021 Market
[Re: wallfur]
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great ideal boco i think i will do that when i get my money from NAFA...the western state auctions sales in usa have out preformed auction house as of late by far. penny anti . Read what Mark wrote again-there is a reason FHA is still going when many have folded,or come and gone like a flash in the pan.
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Re: FHA Press release 2021 Market
[Re: wissmiss]
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02/12/21 02:37 PM
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Maybe there is a reason they don't do this, but instead of sitting around waiting for the Canadian government to let you run your business, move your sale a few hundred miles south into a country that will allow international travel. Bring the samples, ship the rest from Canada. AKA what they were doing in Helsinki. Back in the day when Seattle Fur Exchange was in business, FHA partnered with them to have wild fur auctions in conjunction with the ranch mink auctions. Seemed to work out good for every one. I know it was easier for me to go to Seattle (6 hour drive) than to go to North Bay (full day of travel going there). Not sure where FHA would find a facility in the US that would accommodate them. Stoughton Business park. I also seem to remember NAFA had sale in NY back in the late 90's, maybe?
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Re: FHA Press release 2021 Market
[Re: Boco]
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great ideal boco i think i will do that when i get my money from NAFA...the western state auctions sales in usa have out preformed auction house as of late by far. penny anti . Read what Mark wrote again-there is a reason FHA is still going when many have folded,or come and gone like a flash in the pan. ....dont speak to soon that could change quickly....lol
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Re: FHA Press release 2021 Market
[Re: Boco]
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great ideal boco i think i will do that when i get my money from NAFA...the western state auctions sales in usa have out preformed auction house as of late by far. penny anti . Read what Mark wrote again-there is a reason FHA is still going when many have folded,or come and gone like a flash in the pan. The part where he was admitting Groeny was kickin his arse?
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Re: FHA Press release 2021 Market
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Never seen Mark write that. He did say that the carpetbaggers were trying to take advantage of the trappers though when Nafa folded. You have to understand the History behind FHA to know why they exist-the support they have in Ontario and why they are so strong and solid financially even in fur market downturn.
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Re: FHA Press release 2021 Market
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02/12/21 02:49 PM
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Never seen Mark write that. He did say that the carpetbaggers were trying to take advantage of the trappers though when Nafa folded. You have to understand the History behind FHA to know why they exist-the support they have in Ontario and why they are so strong and solid financially even in fur market downturn. BOCO, Don't feed the troll !!! LOL !!! w
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Re: FHA Press release 2021 Market
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02/12/21 03:01 PM
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Maybe there is a reason they don't do this, but instead of sitting around waiting for the Canadian government to let you run your business, move your sale a few hundred miles south into a country that will allow international travel. Bring the samples, ship the rest from Canada. AKA what they were doing in Helsinki. Back in the day when Seattle Fur Exchange was in business, FHA partnered with them to have wild fur auctions in conjunction with the ranch mink auctions. Seemed to work out good for every one. I know it was easier for me to go to Seattle (6 hour drive) than to go to North Bay (full day of travel going there). Not sure where FHA would find a facility in the US that would accommodate them. The two upcoming auctions are being held in conjunction with American Mink exchange. Checked out the website and seems like an interesting group that is still owned in North America after NAFA and their umbrella of mink farms got sold overseas. This has to be killing Mark Downey, the only auction left in North America that is internationally known and they cannot hold an in person auction. We can all argue who, how, where to sell but we all know that there is some truth in what the auction houses say, about them giving trappers an honest look at the market. Just costs us 11% commission to find it every auction! Three or four state auctions need to get together and start something, we need more than one auction house in North America.
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Re: FHA Press release 2021 Market
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Unless I missed something I dont understand the negative towards a company that's trying to bring value into the wild fur market and is taking the time to communicate with us trappers as to whats going on. If you prefer to do business with someone else I understand but why the negative towards FHA? The trapping industry benefits from there existence. Best statement on this thread^^^&&
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Re: FHA Press release 2021 Market
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I suggested they try something, instead waiting on the Canadian government. They told me buyers won't buy my product without seeing them. They need to figure out how to get buyers ( not agents) to a sale. A lot of these buyers are former NAFA buyers, they seem to be cautious in the switch. Smart ! IMHO.
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Re: FHA Press release 2021 Market
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Unless I missed something I dont understand the negative towards a company that's trying to bring value into the wild fur market and is taking the time to communicate with us trappers as to whats going on. If you prefer to do business with someone else I understand but why the negative towards FHA? The trapping industry benefits from there existence. Best statement on this thread^^^&& If they are trying so hard to communicate, why are they sending checks without telling the shippers what sold and at what price????
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Re: FHA Press release 2021 Market
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02/12/21 03:29 PM
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Re: FHA Press release 2021 Market
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02/12/21 04:13 PM
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Just once I would like to hear the Auction house tell It like It Is.
The fur market at this time Is In the crapper. But we are tying to do the best we can for our shippers.
Do the same buyers that buy at these country auctions also buy from Let's say FHA? If so and they are buying rats at a $3.00 average from these country auctions why would they pay more at FHA.
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Re: FHA Press release 2021 Market
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Thanks for explaining the difference.
But If you can't cross the border you can't see the graded product you probably aren't going to buy. Would you buy any quantity of fur sight unseen?
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Re: FHA Press release 2021 Market
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02/12/21 05:29 PM
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Canada has lost fur buying firms just like we have. One now not so long ago 8 major firms and plenty of smaller out lets I am sure. I do give the FHA and its former organizers credit for staying the course and being willing to offer options and outlets for wild fur harvesters. We are fortunate in the Mid West to have two major private firms that deal with a lot of fur annually and having a viable FHA international firm collecting fur in our area is a benefit as well. We do have a few other firms that we can utilize as well. When, and if we see a fur demand increase in species we have here, coon, rats, beavers, reds and marginal yotes then having the international auction will be a good thing. I constantly read where many suspect and actually don't believe what the auction houses state or how they grade etc. I feel that those remarks are not always and in most cases rarely justified. It is good you like your markets and the prices you receive without much explanation or discussion. I sold most fur locally this season and to me it was a good option. I have fur to sell at the auction in April. The one thing I valued the most about the auctions were learning a lot more about grading, color, how damage was assessed and to some extent what was creating the damage, me or other causes. We all talk about selling fully prime and full value fur, but when one reviews the accounts and records one finds that nationwide very little fur is ever sold at prime or full value, at least wild fur. How much and to what extent one gets docked for lower grades, damage, size and color usually determines for me where the better averages come from.
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