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Re: FHA Press release 2021 Market [Re: Saskfly] #7180977
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Thats what I thought. Fur buying is business, not?

Re: FHA Press release 2021 Market [Re: Saskfly] #7180983
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Canada has new travel restrictions going into effect on February 22, 2021. Required testing. Hotel quartintine upon arrival, etc. etc.

I will find you a link.

Not all business travel is allowed. A limited number of occupations qualify.

Last summer, Greg Schroeder, the FHA guy in Cambridge, Wisconsin, needed to travel to North Bay. That was not allowed.

Nothing is as simple as “business travel is allowed”. You gotta read the fine print.


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Re: FHA Press release 2021 Market [Re: Saskfly] #7180988
02/13/21 08:58 PM
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It’s a total **** show. Last I heard Ontario still hadn’t vaccinated all the LTC folks.

The boarder situation doesn’t look good. Canada will be one of the last to crawl out of the hole.

Re: FHA Press release 2021 Market [Re: Saskfly] #7180991
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Yea, I suppose BOCO's buddy the prince wouldn't consider the oldest industry in North America essential business. wink

Re: FHA Press release 2021 Market [Re: Saskfly] #7180995
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Saga’s last sale was much better than the previous. With the world rapidly recovering. Even with an online sale, hopefully it will be better than August’s.

It should be

Re: FHA Press release 2021 Market [Re: Saskfly] #7181017
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Fur Harvesters did not or could not figure how to move fur out of Canada to be sold. They got caught holding. Groeny figured it out. I am sure Groeny is moving lots of fur. Trouble is if you consign thru Groeny you will be taking what they can get. Which may be what Fur Harvesters did to pay their bills. The way I see it there are three parties to blame here for the current market and they are Fur Harvesters,CANADA and CHINA.

Re: FHA Press release 2021 Market [Re: wissmiss] #7181067
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Originally Posted by wissmiss
Jurassic Park - so you would like to see FHA have say 4 sales a year. One every three months. Those are the only times of the year buyers can buy goods. Right??

How would you like to be able to only go to the grocery store or gas station or other retail establishment once every 3 months?? You have to buy everything you need for the next 3 months. Milk, bread, alcohol, cigarettes, whatever. No shopping what so ever, not even on line, between those 4 yearly trips. Would that work for you and your family????

I suppose for some folks in Canada and Alaska, this is what they do normally, a way of life for them. But in the lower 48 I’m thinking that a lot of folks, including members on Tman, go to the grocery store at least once a week, if not more often. I doubt they could survive going only 4 times a year.

Go ahead and tell me that isn’t a fair comparison. I think it is a very fair comparison.

Fire away................


It’s not a fair comparison.

An auction is an event. And when the shows over, it’s over. See you in 4 months!

I’ve gone to Livestock auctions. If I showed up the next day, I would be staring at mud.

I’ve gone to vehicle auctions and if I showed up the next day, I would be staring at an empty parking lot.

The way it should be.


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Re: FHA Press release 2021 Market [Re: walleye101] #7181084
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Originally Posted by walleye101
Yea, I suppose BOCO's buddy the prince wouldn't consider the oldest industry in North America essential business. wink


I say keep those disease infected Chinamen out of my backyard.
All you money hungry money grubbers can wait.
Everything is on hold.
Remember what yo mamma told ya'll-"patience is a virtue"
Hard for the Me Me Now Now generation to grasp.

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Re: FHA Press release 2021 Market [Re: wissmiss] #7181236
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Originally Posted by wissmiss
Originally Posted by Hodagtrapper
Never liked the PT sales.
An auction should be competitive or it is not an auction.

Chris


So an auction is supposed to be competitive??

So FHA is selling muskrats. The auction stand opens the bidding at $4.00, which presumably the value they have on that lot. A buyer raises his hand and the auctioneer takes his bid at $4.00. . No one else bids. After several attempts to get more bids, the auctioneer says SOLD and the hammer drops.

Is that competitive??? Not in my opinion. To me, competition is having 2 or more buyers “compete” for the goods.


That would be a demand issue imho, as long as there is more then one buyer in the room.

Re: FHA Press release 2021 Market [Re: spjones] #7181432
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Originally Posted by spjones
Saga’s last sale was much better than the previous. With the world rapidly recovering. Even with an online sale, hopefully it will be better than August’s.

It should be


Why? It is a trust issue.

if you want to know why I say this( you may not) because the long time furbuyer (I know) told me ( not that he had to) the fur business is the most crooked business he knew of.

I'm going with that!

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Re: FHA Press release 2021 Market [Re: Saskfly] #7181753
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Kopenhagen sale next weekend. Over a couple million ranch mink to hit the market. It will be an online sale.

From what I heard is it was a good selling season around the world. Even the Russians may buy some.


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Re: FHA Press release 2021 Market [Re: mink99] #7181758
02/14/21 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by mink99
Kopenhagen sale next weekend. Over a couple million ranch mink to hit the market. It will be an online sale.

From what I heard is it was a good selling season around the world. Even the Russians may buy some.


I agree. So why would an AUCTION give fur away by PT? It is like the muskrat fire sale a few years back when the market was on fire shortly after they gave them away. LLL


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Re: FHA Press release 2021 Market [Re: Saskfly] #7181774
02/14/21 11:22 AM
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Someone remembers that sale LLtrapper, did you get stung out of that one.?

Numbered company's sure do hide for the uninformed and to get share holders names in Ontario is like looking for hens teeth in a pig trough.

Re: FHA Press release 2021 Market [Re: wissmiss] #7181786
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Originally Posted by wissmiss
Originally Posted by Hodagtrapper
Never liked the PT sales.
An auction should be competitive or it is not an auction.

Chris


So an auction is supposed to be competitive??

So FHA is selling muskrats. The auction stand opens the bidding at $4.00, which presumably the value they have on that lot. A buyer raises his hand and the auctioneer takes his bid at $4.00. . No one else bids. After several attempts to get more bids, the auctioneer says SOLD and the hammer drops.

Is that competitive??? Not in my opinion. To me, competition is having 2 or more buyers “compete” for the goods.

Perhaps most of the buyers wont bid because they know they can buy them cheaper in the pt room in a few hours so why get into a bidding war and drive prices up on the floor. Its same as buying the best bears before they hit the auction and than paying fair market value, who knows what they would have gotten bid up to. Nafa did that to me several times and it made my blood boil, and only always on my very best bears.

Re: FHA Press release 2021 Market [Re: Northof50] #7181790
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Originally Posted by Northof50
Someone remembers that sale LLtrapper, did you get stung out of that one.?

Numbered company's sure do hide for the uninformed and to get share holders names in Ontario is like looking for hens teeth in a pig trough.


Yes. Lessons in blood are not often forgotten. LLL


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Re: FHA Press release 2021 Market [Re: Saskfly] #7181803
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Oversupply creates hard times. When there is more then enough for everyone why be aggressive? Useless you are speculating to feed future demands. Agressive is a relative term if you consider current country price levels.

I too believe an auction house should auction. Pressure may have forced a margin call.

Re: FHA Press release 2021 Market [Re: Saskfly] #7181808
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I trust FHA to stay in buisness for the trappers and they have done a good job moving fur thru the pipeline during times of no demand.
The trouble with trying to compare apples to apples in the fur trade is that things change both directions in the span of a month or two.
Like any other commodity trading, timing is key and cannot be determined 100% without a crystal ball.


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Re: FHA Press release 2021 Market [Re: Saskfly] #7181816
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DITTO Boco on fur business


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Re: FHA Press release 2021 Market [Re: Saskfly] #7181877
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Kingrat the old bear buyer is not buying anymore, he has retired.
Seems they are not replacing the Queens Honour Guard head dress as they use to , those used up a lot of bear hides.

Re: FHA Press release 2021 Market [Re: Saskfly] #7181893
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I always got good money for well handled larger sized spring bears.They were wanted handled for full mount taxiderm or rugs and the end user was in Germany.
I sold to Gordon Gray at the NW company in North Bay.

Nicely furred smaller bears brought decent money,I suppose the busby hat buyer from England scooped up those.
The auction house used to market our galls and claws from the hair bears until Ontario outlawed that in the mid 80's.
Used to be profitable taking bears in the spring back in the day considering the profits to be had from the hides,and the galls,and the good supply of meat for the larder.
I still get a craving for a big bowl of smoked bear ribs and a cold molson when watching the leafs.


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