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Re: Wolf Cable [Re: BvrRetriever] #7189434
02/19/21 04:34 PM
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Daily.

They allow them to be 10' long, but I'm unsure of the benefit of them being that long.

Your all input is appreciated. We haven't really done this before for wolves much, b/c past seasons typically closed prior to Dec 1st when CR's become allowed.

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Re: Wolf Cable [Re: Pete in Frbks] #7189435
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Originally Posted by Pete in Frbks


Is their objective to have a bunch of wolves wearing snares around their necks running all over the countryside?

Pete


I had this same thought, but since they have mandatory 24hr check it would probably be less of an issue.

Re: Wolf Cable [Re: BvrRetriever] #7190342
02/20/21 12:30 PM
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I find the whole "cable restraint" issue for wolves fairly entertaining.

Alaskans may recall the big uproar in the media when Gordon Haber, Friends of Animals and the Anchorage Daily News photographer exploited the pictures of the Moody Creek wolves (20A) caught in snares.

The issue that the anti-trappers were able to exploit so extensively was that "the snares did not kill the wolves cleanly!"

And now a fish/game department is MANDATING that wolves not be killed cleanly!

Pete

Re: Wolf Cable [Re: Pete in Frbks] #7190349
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Originally Posted by Pete in Frbks


And now a fish/game department is MANDATING that wolves not be killed cleanly!
The reason snares aren't allowed in Wi is to avoid the killing of incidental catches.

Re: Wolf Cable [Re: AJE] #7191228
02/21/21 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by AJE
Originally Posted by Pete in Frbks


And now a fish/game department is MANDATING that wolves not be killed cleanly!
The reason snares aren't allowed in Wi is to avoid the killing of incidental catches.


Of course.

And the RESULT is that wolves will not be killed cleanly!

Pete

Re: Wolf Cable [Re: BvrRetriever] #7191499
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I would shorten up those CRs to about 7 feet. by doing that they won't be able to get up much of a run. And that will also keep you out of some entanglement issues.
But with the entanglement thing If you cut down the brush that is bigger then 1/2" then just leave It laying around. And since It's not rooted anymore you should be OK. But of coarse the more disturbance the less chance for a catch.


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Re: Wolf Cable [Re: BvrRetriever] #7192200
02/22/21 12:13 PM
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I haven't tried building a "clear cut" to snare wolves yet.

But I cannot imagine that that sort of disturbance would not alert AK wolves that "something was amiss!" We normally try desperately not to disturb an area around a set.

Perhaps you could get away with it on WI wolves?

Pete

Re: Wolf Cable [Re: The Beav] #7192645
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Originally Posted by The Beav
I would shorten up those CRs to about 7 feet. by doing that they won't be able to get up much of a run. And that will also keep you out of some entanglement issues.
But with the entanglement thing If you cut down the brush that is bigger then 1/2" then just leave It laying around. And since It's not rooted anymore you should be OK. But of coarse the more disturbance the less chance for a catch.

Good points.

Pete, if we cut any brush, we are allowed to stick it back in the ground, and it's legal (I think) so long as it is not rooted, but I'd have to read the regs on that again. We, too, try to create minimal disturbance.

I kinda wonder if the theory behind the 10' wolf CR is that there might be less chew outs b/c there's more cable for the wolf to chew on.

Part of my concern is whether the 2 1/2" deer stop would work for elk. 'Lotta elk where I am at.

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Re: Wolf Cable [Re: BvrRetriever] #7192689
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Do you have to "draw a tag" for wolves, there?


Just doing what I want now.

Re: Wolf Cable [Re: BvrRetriever] #7192956
02/23/21 12:25 AM
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Yes, & it is very hard to get a tag.

Re: Wolf Cable [Re: Team V] #7192990
02/23/21 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Team V
I use 7/64 cut at 68 inches with a cam lock and 5 feet of number 9 seems to work pretty good


Man, I don’t know how you do it with only 5’ of support wire. I made the mistake of making a bunch of them and was highly disappointed when trying to set. 8 out of 10 times they were 2-3’ short when setting. I use 1/8x19 with 8-10’ support wire. Which are working good for my terrain..

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Re: Wolf Cable [Re: BvrRetriever] #7193302
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I would spend the money on 4-6 wolf traps, even MB-750 wolfers. They are very reasonably priced, and, in my opinion, much more likely to catch a wolf than snares, given your ridiculous rules.


Just doing what I want now.

Re: Wolf Cable [Re: BvrRetriever] #7193312
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I agree with those who advocate using traps instead restraints for your season. The traps would eliminate weaving through the nonsensical regulations you have mentioned. Chew out potential would be eliminated also.

Good luck getting after the wolves!

Re: Wolf Cable [Re: BvrRetriever] #7193373
02/23/21 01:56 PM
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Thanks for all the input, guys.

For all practical purposes, our season is winding down. It was open for a mere 34 hours before the DNR announced they were closing down 2/3rds of the state due to getting close to the quota. That just goes to show the actual number of wolves running around our state.

I feel sorry for anyone who drew a tag and attempted to trap one during this condensed season. After the dust settles, it will be interesting to see the harvest data but I doubt many (if any) were trapped in the three zones they already shut down.

Re: Wolf Cable [Re: BvrRetriever] #7193382
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I have no idea how many wolves you guys have but........I suspect the harvest indicates just how habituated to human activity your wolves are rather than how dense the population is.

If you get to have additional seasons I think you'll find the wolves wise up a bit.

But at least you managed to get one season on the books


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This is our fourth season. But it's been about 7 years since the last one.

Re: Wolf Cable [Re: BvrRetriever] #7193462
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Oh that's right ! I forgot about the previous ones. I have a friend who raises hogs near Pittsville and he had a few taken on his ground a few years ago.


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Re: Wolf Cable [Re: white17] #7194407
02/24/21 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by white17
I have no idea how many wolves you guys have but........I suspect the harvest indicates just how habituated to human activity your wolves are rather than how dense the population is.

If you get to have additional seasons I think you'll find the wolves wise up a bit.

But at least you managed to get one season on the books



I agree. I think your wolves will wise up fairly quickly. Then again, with your "season" being measured in hours and minutes, maybe not!

Pete

Re: Wolf Cable [Re: BvrRetriever] #7194529
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Thanks for the input.
Keep in mind most Wisconsites likely rely mostly on footholds (oftentimes MB650s) and then hang CR's once they have their footholds out. And in many cases, cable restraints are placed in areas where trap theft is of high concern.
In our 'normal' wolf seasons, most zones filled (closed) before we were allowed to put out CR's or MB750s (Dec 1st).
1 thing I'm pondering about 10' cables is that it would be tougher to easily release incidentals with such a long cable I bet.
Ps.
UPDATE: ALL Wi wolf zones are closing today. The state went way over quota. So to summarize, all the zones allowed trappers only 2 nights

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Re: Wolf Cable [Re: BvrRetriever] #7195032
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Well I know at least a couple got trapped. A friend of mine who lives there sent me pictures of ones a group he knows got, 2 trapped and 3 with dogs as of yesterday and then a black one this morning but I don't know if it was trapped or shot.

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