Re: Trapper apathy
[Re: beaverpeeler]
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02/19/21 12:04 AM
02/19/21 12:04 AM
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Posts: 870 Punxsutawney, Pa.
MinkGuy
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We need to focus on why someone wouldn't want to belong. There needs to be a sense of pride in belonging plus each organization needs to offer a deal nonmembers can't refuse or resist.. No business survives on a guilt plea for patronage. Buyers and that is what each nonmember is - a prospective buyer- of our product (membership). we must show them an offering that they want to participate in. Please list for me what you are selling! I'm betting most of our messages are not compelling and viewed as offering them little. Most prospective buyers as an example believe others will fight the fight and they will save their $50 dollars. However, if I could show them that there are benefits that exceed the cost then I'll bet we will get a new member.
DonP Minktrapping.com
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Re: Trapper apathy
[Re: beaverpeeler]
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02/19/21 12:05 AM
02/19/21 12:05 AM
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Joined: Sep 2013
Posts: 10,404 Northeast Oklahoma
Mike in A-town
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I hear ya Dave.
Last I knew there were two orgs in Oklahoma... The Oklahoma Fur Bearers Alliance and the Fur Takers of Oklahoma. I was a member of OFBA and as I understood it the FTO was responsible for the NWCO licensing debacle.
It's been long enough that I'm not sure what's what anymore. After all the crap I just said 'phooey' with all of it. I'd like to trap again sometime. But with fur being worthless it just isn't worth the uphill battle right now.
I'm not even sure how many states I'd have to drive across to get ripped off selling fur.
Mike
One man with a gun may control 100 others who have none.
Vladimir Lenin
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Re: Trapper apathy
[Re: beaverpeeler]
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02/19/21 01:05 AM
02/19/21 01:05 AM
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drasselt
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Good Bad or Ugly one thing is for sure. If nobody stands up for trapping it goes away. Here there were are all kinds of areas closed to trapping before anybody was watching the store. Now that trappers are much better organised, any body comes after trapping and there's a fight. Plus any new regulation is much less imposing. Quit making excuses and stand up for yourselves.
you can vote your way into socialism, but you will have to shoot your way out.
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Re: Trapper apathy
[Re: beaverpeeler]
#7188853
02/19/21 02:22 AM
02/19/21 02:22 AM
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Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 11,180 Oregon
beaverpeeler
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Right on Drasselt. Strength in numbers. That's why politicians are pretty timid to take on the NRA.
The last big anti trapping initiative ballot measure we had in Oregon (2000) our association successfully pulled together a coalition of Forestry, Agriculture, hunters and trappers. We hired people to take the fight to them. Guess where the seed money came from to get the ball rolling? Eventually we were able to match the antis money war chest (almost dollar for dollar) with plenty of help from our coalition supporters; but that first 10 or 15 thousand was trapper money by golly.
A fact I am very proud of.
My fear of moving stairs is escalating!
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Re: Trapper apathy
[Re: beaverpeeler]
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02/19/21 06:20 AM
02/19/21 06:20 AM
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Posts: 71 Conneaut Lake, PA
trapperjim1
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A problem that I see with pretty much any volunteer organization (Fire Dept, Trappers Association etc.) , is that most people want to run that organization without doing any of the work for it. Whenever the topic of an organization comes up, everybody knows what's wrong, and what that organization should do to change. But when you ask them to help, they always have an excuse. Things like " I don't have time", or "I won't be a part of that until it changes". If you really think that an organization is doing something wrong, for goodness sake, join it, and work to point it in the right,(in your opinion) direction. Having served as a volunteer softball coach, (10 yrs.), on the board of directors of a volunteer fire dept. (5 + yrs.) and involved with the Pa. Trappers, NTA and FTA (45 yrs.) , I think I've heard every rationalization for not joining, or helping, that there is, and none of them are original. If you really believe in something, join in helping to make it a better organization. Don't expect to walk in the door and immediately be put in charge. It doesn't work that way. Work to prove your value to the organization, It takes time, nothing changes overnight and it's human nature to resist change. Remember, when you try to insert an agenda into an organization, you're going to have the naysayers resisting your change. Just like you resisted theirs. One thing that I've taken away from my years of volunteering in different organizations, no matter what else comes to pass I've generally made a few good friends, and that has a value all it's own.
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Re: Trapper apathy
[Re: beaverpeeler]
#7188870
02/19/21 06:24 AM
02/19/21 06:24 AM
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Posts: 3,844 Pa
Wright Brothers
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Transparency is the number one real answer I have found. Many want to know the whole money trail. Many want to log in to the live O and D meetings.
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Re: Trapper apathy
[Re: beaverpeeler]
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02/19/21 11:01 AM
02/19/21 11:01 AM
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Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 11,181 Armpit, ak
Dirt
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I think the problem I have with the current situation is I can see fighting hard to retain a part of my livelihood. I seem to have no motivation to fight hard to retain a hobby. Seems easier to move on to another hobby?
Last edited by Dirt; 02/19/21 11:03 AM.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: Trapper apathy
[Re: beaverpeeler]
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02/19/21 11:11 AM
02/19/21 11:11 AM
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Posts: 11,181 Armpit, ak
Dirt
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They been winning since 1987. It is the anti's business and the they make money doing it. Here they haven't killed trapping with laws, they killed it by killing demand for fur ( price for pelts).
Last edited by Dirt; 02/19/21 11:12 AM.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: Trapper apathy
[Re: beaverpeeler]
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02/19/21 11:37 AM
02/19/21 11:37 AM
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Posts: 5,214 Crivitz WI
Sprung & Rusty
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How many trappers in your state are members of your association? Or for that matter the NTA and or FTA?
If we don't step up now, straight up trapping will die out within our lifetimes.
And I'm one of the apathetic but I'm fixing to change that. I am either re-upping or joining for the first time all three. Worried about the future of trapping is the guy who voted Democrat. How ironic. (Not poking the bear, just making a point.)
No Jab.
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Re: Trapper apathy
[Re: Quartermastersir]
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02/19/21 12:05 PM
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Posts: 248 Owatonna,mn
Cibarius
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I would bet that your state orgs do have a lobbyist at the statehouse, or maybe one they share with other outdoor groups. The state trapper orgs sometimes share assets in fighting "anti" agenda. If you don't go to the regional/state trapper org meetings or conventions you're missing out on a wealth of information and material available there. To be honest I can't think of a good reason not to join at least one trapping org. MnTA, FTA, NTA, Sportsman Alliance, NRA, GOA That’s our problem in MN. Shared legal. We need someone that does exactly what the membership wants. On legislative and association issues. We have the good ole boys club now.
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Re: Trapper apathy
[Re: Sprung & Rusty]
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02/19/21 01:30 PM
02/19/21 01:30 PM
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Posts: 11,180 Oregon
beaverpeeler
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How many trappers in your state are members of your association? Or for that matter the NTA and or FTA?
If we don't step up now, straight up trapping will die out within our lifetimes.
And I'm one of the apathetic but I'm fixing to change that. I am either re-upping or joining for the first time all three. Worried about the future of trapping is the guy who voted Democrat. How ironic. (Not poking the bear, just making a point.) I will own that statement Rusty. But ironics aside, I'm fighting the good fight best I can. On some other thread I could explain how I come down on politics in general, but on this one I would like to keep on point.
My fear of moving stairs is escalating!
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Re: Trapper apathy
[Re: Cibarius]
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02/19/21 01:51 PM
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Posts: 495 Minnesota
MNEric
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I would bet that your state orgs do have a lobbyist at the statehouse, or maybe one they share with other outdoor groups. The state trapper orgs sometimes share assets in fighting "anti" agenda. If you don't go to the regional/state trapper org meetings or conventions you're missing out on a wealth of information and material available there. To be honest I can't think of a good reason not to join at least one trapping org. MnTA, FTA, NTA, Sportsman Alliance, NRA, GOA That’s our problem in MN. Shared legal. We need someone that does exactly what the membership wants. On legislative and association issues. We have the good ole boys club now. Lobbyist is no longer shared. It is an election year for the BOD. Nominate your self
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