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work hardened sawchain #7190347
02/20/21 12:35 PM
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I'm taking a break from cutting wood this morning.

I was noodling through a log and came upon a "hollow" that seemed to be filled with something abrasive. The saw dulled quickly. I went to re-sharpen, and found four or five teeth, that the file could not touch.

When I go back out, I will try a new file and/or put the chain on the grinder.

Is it possible that I am right? Can sawchain become work hardened by abrasives or excess heat working hard in other ways?


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Re: work hardened sawchain [Re: T-Rex] #7190350
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Definitely. If you use a dull chain the metal hardens from the heat. Usually I have to use a new file and remove an excessive amount of metal to remedy.


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Re: work hardened sawchain [Re: T-Rex] #7190352
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Possibly hardened from a previous sharpening on the grinder, don't hit them for to long with a mechanical grinder.

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Teeth and heat not a good combination.

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I would try a new file and make sure it is in a vice when you go to file so you can get good pressure on it

I have't had any I couldn't cut with a sharp file but have had some that a less than sharp file just seems to skidd off without biting


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Re: work hardened sawchain [Re: T-Rex] #7190402
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It's not "work hardening" per se but rather heating of high carbon steel and sufficiently rapid cooling (quenching) to resut in a hard crystal structure. It's the same effect a bladesmith gets from heating and quenching a blade the only difference being the quenching medium is air instead of oil or water. The bladesmith would then temper the steel to reduce the hardness to a workable level. As others have said, you may be able to grind off the part that has become excessively hard.

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Originally Posted by EdP
.... the only difference being the quenching medium is air instead of oil or water.
Or snow in this case.

I pulled the saw out of the kerf and set it down in the snow. It makes sense, now that I think about it. It also explains why the hardened teeth are all in one string...the bottom row when I set it down. It makes me think the entirety of the affected teeth would be hardened, at least the outside couple ten thousandths.

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Lesson learned:

The next time I run into that abrasive stuff, I'll turn off the saw and leave it right in the kerf to let it cool on its own.


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I'm back in after session two of cutting wood..

I clamped the saw into a vise and broke out the best of my discarded files. What have I got to loose? I used what I would consider excessive force to file down the hardened teeth. It actually worked. After a few very heavy strokes, they started to feel like a normal tooth would. After another tank of fuel, and another sharpening, I was back to a typical chain.

After the fact, I'm wondering how many good files I've thrown away over the years, when the problem may have been a work hardened chain.


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Heat the tooth up with a bic lighter then file. I've seen some teeth hard to file right out of the box.

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Originally Posted by cwtrapper
Heat the tooth up with a Bic® lighter then file...
That was on my list or possible solutions, except I was going to use a propane/map gas torch. Like I said, didn't need to go that far, but, may have been a little easier. I'll definitely keep it in mind for the next time.


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