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Do you think many antis work for state DNRs?
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02/20/21 08:34 PM
02/20/21 08:34 PM
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WI - Wisconsin
AJE
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I can only speak for Wi. My thought has always been 'no.' I still would like to think that.
The other day somebody posted a general comment to everyone on a wolf thread on here, saying "do not kid yourself, there are antis infiltrated in the DNR."
As I'm preparing for Wolf trapping, I've had some time to think about things (keep in mind I am surprised at WDNR for suing to try to stop next weeks wolf hunt). It occurred to me that maybe there is more truth to it than I thought. This was compounded this week because the other day a lady told me her daughter is going to UW-SP (a famous [& good] natural resource college). The girl is anti. The last thing we need is antis infiltrating DNRs. We need them to operate objectively on science. They have a right to their opinions like the rest of us at Conservation Congress. I think part of the problem is our DNR is too political. I've discussed the wolf hunt this week with several DNR biologists. They all said what I thought: the decision to sue was made WAY above their head. It seemed almost like the biologists were operating under a gag order. It must be frustrating for the vast majority of dedicated DNR professionals.
I can't speak for other DNR's, but ours has explaining to do after the issue this week with the wolf hunt.
I know so many great DNR employees. I hope citizens are able to regain DNR's trust after this week
Last edited by AJE; 02/21/21 12:37 AM.
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Re: Do you think many antis work for state DNRs?
[Re: AJE]
#7190695
02/20/21 08:40 PM
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Western Shore Delaware
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Maybe not necessarily antis, but definitely some "concerned conservationists".
"Humans are the hardest people to get along with."
Dr. Phillip Snow
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Re: Do you think many antis work for state DNRs?
[Re: AJE]
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02/20/21 08:48 PM
02/20/21 08:48 PM
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Re: Do you think many antis work for state DNRs?
[Re: AJE]
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02/20/21 08:51 PM
02/20/21 08:51 PM
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Green County Wisconsin
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I can only speak for Wi. My thought has always been 'no.' I still would like to think that.
The other day somebody posted a general comment to everyone on a wolf thread on here, saying "do not kid yourself, there are antis infiltrated in the DNR."
As I'm preparing for Wolf trapping, I've had some time to think about things (keep in mind I am very angry at WDNR at the moment for suing to try to stop next weeks wolf hunt). It occurred to me that maybe there is more truth to it than I thought. This was compounded this week because the other day a lady told me her daughter is going to UW-SP (a famous [& good] natural resource college). The girl is incredibly anti. The last thing we need is antis infiltrating DNRs. We need them to operate objectively on science. They have a right to their opinions like the rest of us at Conservation Congress. I think part of the problem is our DNR is too political. I've discussed the wolf hunt this week with several DNR biologists. They all said what I thought: the decision to sue was made WAY above their head. It seemed almost like the biologists were operating under a gag order. It must be frustrating for the vast majority of dedicated DNR professionals.
I can't speak for other DNR's, but I know ours has a lot of explaining to do after the issue this week with the wolf hunt.
I know so many great DNR employees. I hope citizens are able to regain DNR's trust after this weeks bizaare antics. are you kidding in Madistan there have been a few mostly anyone with good science realizes better
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Re: Do you think many antis work for state DNRs?
[Re: AJE]
#7190718
02/20/21 08:57 PM
02/20/21 08:57 PM
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Wisconsin
The Beav
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I would have called our last Fur bearer biologist partially anti when It came to trapping. He did his best to protect the otter and muskrats. Actually he was no friend of the trapper. The man we got on board know Is a straight shooter.
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Re: Do you think many antis work for state DNRs?
[Re: AJE]
#7190719
02/20/21 08:57 PM
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Southern Ohio
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Yes in Ohio. We would already have a bobcat season.
“If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace.”
— Thomas Paine
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Re: Do you think many antis work for state DNRs?
[Re: Grandpa Trapper]
#7190720
02/20/21 08:57 PM
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Don’t know about anti’s, but the Pennsylvania Game Commission has hired people that never hunted or trapped as Game Wardens. Originally, you wouldn’t even get an interview without showing your hunting and trapping license. DNRs have been pulling people out of the concrete jungle for the last 50 years and I regret I know some of them.
"Humans are the hardest people to get along with."
Dr. Phillip Snow
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Re: Do you think many antis work for state DNRs?
[Re: AJE]
#7190723
02/20/21 08:59 PM
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Law Dog
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The people that say that you need to follow the science today are not doing it themselves is the problem, feeling overriding the facts today people that have never been told no or they were ever wrong.
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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Re: Do you think many antis work for state DNRs?
[Re: AJE]
#7190738
02/20/21 09:17 PM
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South Ga - Almost Florida
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When I was hired 25 years ago there were 2200 applicants for 17 game warden positions. I sat on the hiring interview board a year ago and there were only 350 applicants for 15 positions.
There are way less folks today that have any outdoor knowledge and the anti-LE mentality in this country has also resulted in less applicants.
I dont know of any anti-hunting game wardens, but there are some wildlife biologists employed by Ga that make me shake my head. I call them butterfly biologists.
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Re: Do you think many antis work for state DNRs?
[Re: AJE]
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02/20/21 09:29 PM
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Mark June
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I worked for the state of Michigan for two loooonngggggg years outta college and I would have paid to work with antis versus those - I tried to get to work - alongside.
"Did that come out all right?"
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Re: Do you think many antis work for state DNRs?
[Re: AJE]
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02/20/21 09:31 PM
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chelsea,wi
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at the top of the DNR...absolutely.....wardens I have dealt with no
2021 goals....make time to trap
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Re: Do you think many antis work for state DNRs?
[Re: AJE]
#7190755
02/20/21 09:32 PM
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Buck (Zandra)
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A guy I grew up with trapping, hunting ,and fishing went to Michigan State to become a fisheries biologist.After he graduated some years later he went back to see if any of his old professors were still around.One was left and ready to retire.His prof said he could see a big difference from the students he used to get to the ones he got in his final years.He said at one time the only people that applied had backgrounds in hunting and fishing,now he had kids who never been hunting and fishing in their lives,it was more about being a civil servant and the pay and benefits that went with it.And while they may not have been flaming antis,many had a dim view of our pursuits.
Buck(formely known as Zandra)
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Re: Do you think many antis work for state DNRs?
[Re: Ohiowoodchuck]
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02/20/21 09:33 PM
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Ohio, USA
Ave
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Yes in Ohio. We would already have a bobcat season. I agree. In my opinion, our dnr has some antis within it, and is very political. I think we have more uneducated people more then anything. I got stopped by an officer once while beaver trapping. They had absolutely no clue what I was doing when I walked back to my car with a beaver on my sled. They asked me a ton of questions, and I spent the next 10 minutes explaining to them how beaver trapping worked. They acted as if they had never heard of such a thing. They didn’t even check half of my paperwork. I was shocked to say the least. Some kids I know wanting to go into the dnr genuinely scare me. They are extremely biased, uneducated ,anti hunting and trapping, etc. They seem forget that outdoorsmen and women are the ones funding them.
Ave don't go where the beaver don't flow
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Re: Do you think many antis work for state DNRs?
[Re: Buck (Zandra)]
#7190760
02/20/21 09:35 PM
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Western Shore Delaware
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. . .He said at one time the only people that applied had backgrounds in hunting and fishing,now he had kids who never been hunting and fishing in their lives,it was more about being a civil servant and the pay and benefits that went with it.And while they may not have been flaming antis,many had a dim view of our pursuits. THIS!
"Humans are the hardest people to get along with."
Dr. Phillip Snow
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