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First double foot catch #7191666 02/21/21 08:28 PM 02/21/21 08:28 PM
Joined: Dec 2020 Posts: 29 NM D dedshaut OP trapper
dedshaut OP trapper D Joined: Dec 2020 Posts: 29 NM	Checking the line this morning I got my first double front foot Yote on a NoBS K9 jr. Weird thing is that both feet were toe catches. I'm trying to figure out how this happened. The pan tension was 3.75 lbs. The trap only had about 1/8th inch of dirt over it so it wasn't bedded too deep. Any Ideas? Video here: https://youtu.be/cOtQj_SO0Fs Last edited by dedshaut; 02/22/21 05:58 PM.

Re: First double foot catch [Re: dedshaut] #7191718 02/21/21 09:14 PM 02/21/21 09:14 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,689 S.E. Ohio M M.Magis trapper
M.Magis trapper M Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,689 S.E. Ohio	I’ve always assumed most double front foot catches start with one foot within the jaws but not compressing the pan. Then they shift the second foot and place it next to the first, stepping on the pan. I suppose it would take a number of specific things to happen to only catch toes on both.

Re: First double foot catch [Re: dedshaut] #7191719 02/21/21 09:14 PM 02/21/21 09:14 PM
Joined: Jan 2017 Posts: 3,104 Ks Flint Hill fur trapper
Flint Hill fur trapper Joined: Jan 2017 Posts: 3,104 Ks	Don't overthink it...

Re: First double foot catch [Re: dedshaut] #7191750 02/21/21 09:58 PM 02/21/21 09:58 PM
Joined: May 2018 Posts: 10,877 SW Georgia W Wanna Be trapper
Wanna Be trapper W Joined: May 2018 Posts: 10,877 SW Georgia	It’s caught. Reset and catch another. Since you are pondering...ever caught a possum by his tail? If you figure yours out you can concentrate on mine.

Re: First double foot catch [Re: Wanna Be] #7191757 02/21/21 10:04 PM 02/21/21 10:04 PM
Joined: Dec 2020 Posts: 29 NM D dedshaut OP trapper
dedshaut OP trapper D Joined: Dec 2020 Posts: 29 NM	Originally Posted by Wanna Be It’s caught. Reset and catch another. Since you are pondering...ever caught a possum by his tail? If you figure yours out you can concentrate on mine. For sure, it's caught that is all that matters. Just trying to rationalize why, you figure 2 feet he must have been committed. No I've never caught a possum by it's tail, that's mind boggling.

Re: First double foot catch [Re: dedshaut] #7191762 02/21/21 10:08 PM 02/21/21 10:08 PM
Joined: May 2018 Posts: 10,877 SW Georgia W Wanna Be trapper
Wanna Be trapper W Joined: May 2018 Posts: 10,877 SW Georgia	What kind of set? Was the trap offset or dead center? The only actual response to your question seems reasonable enough.

Re: First double foot catch [Re: Wanna Be] #7191797 02/21/21 10:34 PM 02/21/21 10:34 PM
Joined: Dec 2020 Posts: 29 NM D dedshaut OP trapper
dedshaut OP trapper D Joined: Dec 2020 Posts: 29 NM	Originally Posted by Wanna Be What kind of set? Was the trap offset or dead center? The only actual response to your question seems reasonable enough. it was a dirt hole set, backstop was a rock about the size of a football, trap was placed 9 inches in front of the hole and about 1.5 inches to the left of the hole. I get why double foot catches happen, just wondering why they were TOE catches. You figure if both feet are down, he's very committed to the set. I've never had toe catches before this one. Last edited by dedshaut; 02/21/21 10:35 PM.

Re: First double foot catch [Re: dedshaut] #7191873 02/21/21 11:32 PM 02/21/21 11:32 PM
Joined: Nov 2017 Posts: 5,510 West Central MN 20scout trapper
20scout trapper Joined: Nov 2017 Posts: 5,510 West Central MN	If you have ever watched a fox hunting mice in the snow, you see how they pounce on their target. I can't prove it but believe it may have pounced on your set but landed both feet on one of the jaws and set off the trap. Had it been centered more on the pan then you would have had a pad catch vs. a toe. JMO Common sense is a not a vegetable that does well in everyone's garden.

Re: First double foot catch [Re: dedshaut] #7191874 02/21/21 11:33 PM 02/21/21 11:33 PM
Joined: Jan 2017 Posts: 3,104 Ks Flint Hill fur trapper
Flint Hill fur trapper Joined: Jan 2017 Posts: 3,104 Ks	Trap long enough weird things happen...

Re: First double foot catch [Re: dedshaut] #7191888 02/21/21 11:44 PM 02/21/21 11:44 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 5,777 central Illinois yoteguts trapper
yoteguts trapper Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 5,777 central Illinois	Very well put Flint. I'm itchin' to see a coyote twitchin'. More trappin' and less yappin'. Member FTA & USSA.

Re: First double foot catch [Re: dedshaut] #7191903 02/22/21 12:04 AM 02/22/21 12:04 AM
Joined: Feb 2020 Posts: 141 Idaho F Fiske trapper
Fiske trapper F Joined: Feb 2020 Posts: 141 Idaho	In a cubby

Re: First double foot catch [Re: dedshaut] #7192219 02/22/21 12:33 PM 02/22/21 12:33 PM
Joined: Jan 2021 Posts: 496 Minnesota MNEric trapper
MNEric trapper Joined: Jan 2021 Posts: 496 Minnesota	Double rear foot in a MB450 Last edited by MNEric; 02/22/21 12:34 PM.

Re: First double foot catch [Re: dedshaut] #7192301 02/22/21 01:55 PM 02/22/21 01:55 PM
Joined: Nov 2017 Posts: 5,510 West Central MN 20scout trapper
20scout trapper Joined: Nov 2017 Posts: 5,510 West Central MN	Common sense is a not a vegetable that does well in everyone's garden.

Re: First double foot catch [Re: 20scout] #7192372 02/22/21 03:12 PM 02/22/21 03:12 PM
Joined: Dec 2020 Posts: 29 NM D dedshaut OP trapper
dedshaut OP trapper D Joined: Dec 2020 Posts: 29 NM	Originally Posted by 20scout If you have ever watched a fox hunting mice in the snow, you see how they pounce on their target. I can't prove it but believe it may have pounced on your set but landed both feet on one of the jaws and set off the trap. Had it been centered more on the pan then you would have had a pad catch vs. a toe. JMO This is the most likely idea of what happened so far, I didn't know that you could set off a dogless by pouncing on the loose jaw. Good to know.

Re: First double foot catch [Re: dedshaut] #7192397 02/22/21 03:43 PM 02/22/21 03:43 PM
Joined: Nov 2017 Posts: 5,510 West Central MN 20scout trapper
20scout trapper Joined: Nov 2017 Posts: 5,510 West Central MN	I don't think my theory works very will with the double hind foot catch. Common sense is a not a vegetable that does well in everyone's garden.

Re: First double foot catch [Re: 20scout] #7192445 02/22/21 04:47 PM 02/22/21 04:47 PM
Joined: May 2018 Posts: 10,877 SW Georgia W Wanna Be trapper
Wanna Be trapper W Joined: May 2018 Posts: 10,877 SW Georgia	Originally Posted by 20scout I don't think my theory works very will with the double hind foot catch. Maybe going to take a dump?

Re: First double foot catch [Re: Wanna Be] #7192449 02/22/21 04:52 PM 02/22/21 04:52 PM
Joined: Jan 2021 Posts: 496 Minnesota MNEric trapper
MNEric trapper Joined: Jan 2021 Posts: 496 Minnesota	Originally Posted by Wanna Be Originally Posted by 20scout I don't think my theory works very will with the double hind foot catch. Maybe going to take a dump? That is what I figured

Re: First double foot catch [Re: dedshaut] #7192474 02/22/21 05:20 PM 02/22/21 05:20 PM
Joined: May 2018 Posts: 10,877 SW Georgia W Wanna Be trapper
Wanna Be trapper W Joined: May 2018 Posts: 10,877 SW Georgia	Apparently they think a lot of my sets, lol. I get pics all the time of them dumping around my sets before investigating and sometimes getting caught.

Re: First double foot catch [Re: dedshaut] #7192499 02/22/21 05:59 PM 02/22/21 05:59 PM
Joined: Dec 2020 Posts: 29 NM D dedshaut OP trapper
dedshaut OP trapper D Joined: Dec 2020 Posts: 29 NM	Here is a video of what we walked up to. My first attempt at making a video https://youtu.be/cOtQj_SO0Fs

Re: First double foot catch [Re: dedshaut] #7192543 02/22/21 06:49 PM 02/22/21 06:49 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 41,865 Northern Maine Bruce T trapper
Bruce T trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 41,865 Northern Maine	Nice catches. Nevada bound

Re: First double foot catch [Re: dedshaut] #7192741 02/22/21 09:19 PM 02/22/21 09:19 PM
Joined: Dec 2020 Posts: 29 NM D dedshaut OP trapper
dedshaut OP trapper D Joined: Dec 2020 Posts: 29 NM	Those pics of the double rear foot are crazy, how the heck..

Re: First double foot catch [Re: dedshaut] #7192843 02/22/21 10:35 PM 02/22/21 10:35 PM
Joined: Nov 2017 Posts: 62 NC W wrh1971 trapper
wrh1971 trapper W Joined: Nov 2017 Posts: 62 NC	i caught a possum by the tail in a tire set. haven't used a tire set since

Re: First double foot catch [Re: wrh1971] #7193215 02/23/21 10:52 AM 02/23/21 10:52 AM
Joined: Dec 2020 Posts: 29 NM D dedshaut OP trapper
dedshaut OP trapper D Joined: Dec 2020 Posts: 29 NM	Originally Posted by wrh1971 i caught a possum by the tail in a tire set. haven't used a tire set since That's nuts! how the heck, maybe it was able to pull its small feet out? No clue.

Re: First double foot catch [Re: dedshaut] #7193272 02/23/21 11:55 AM 02/23/21 11:55 AM
Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 183 Northern Nevada O Old coy trapper
Old coy trapper O Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 183 Northern Nevada	I’m thinking of two possibilities. First one - the coyote had a foot on each side of the trap on the lever/jaw junction. When the trap fired his feet rode the levers up enough to only catch the toes. Second one - his feet were on the free jaw and when fired the trap only caught the toes.

Re: First double foot catch [Re: dedshaut] #7193431 02/23/21 02:59 PM 02/23/21 02:59 PM
Joined: Aug 2015 Posts: 834 NE NE W Wife trapper
Wife trapper W Joined: Aug 2015 Posts: 834 NE NE	Here's my hunch. Both feet were just inside the jaws but close to, if not directly over the fulcrum (balancing point of the "teeter totter'),,,,, the lever ( trap pan) of your "totter" starts at the hold down point of the jaw and extends out into the center of the base and continues to the end of the pan closest to the loose jaw ,,,,,,,,with a pan tension of whatever poundage you set, you are increasing (over gravity) the amount of weight it will take to have the lever (pan) lift the short end of the "totter" and release the/or spring the trap. Now with all that said I hunch that the coyote shifted its weight ever so slightly toward the long side of the "teeter totter" enough to compensate for your added pan tension and the jaws were faster than the coyote's reaction time so he took a ride home with you. Isn't that what pan tension is supposed to do by allowing smaller weighted creatures to wrestle on top of the lever (pan) and NOT spring the trap. Not every animal step is exacting the same weight on the soil beneath it, so when you reach the "straw" that exceeds the camel's carrying capacity, it breaks or in this case it fires the trap........................................... my take .... the mike

Re: First double foot catch [Re: Wife] #7193649 02/23/21 06:13 PM 02/23/21 06:13 PM
Joined: Dec 2020 Posts: 29 NM D dedshaut OP trapper
dedshaut OP trapper D Joined: Dec 2020 Posts: 29 NM	Originally Posted by Wife Here's my hunch. Both feet were just inside the jaws but close to, if not directly over the fulcrum (balancing point of the "teeter totter'),,,,, the lever ( trap pan) of your "totter" starts at the hold down point of the jaw and extends out into the center of the base and continues to the end of the pan closest to the loose jaw ,,,,,,,,with a pan tension of whatever poundage you set, you are increasing (over gravity) the amount of weight it will take to have the lever (pan) lift the short end of the "totter" and release the/or spring the trap. Now with all that said I hunch that the coyote shifted its weight ever so slightly toward the long side of the "teeter totter" enough to compensate for your added pan tension and the jaws were faster than the coyote's reaction time so he took a ride home with you. Isn't that what pan tension is supposed to do by allowing smaller weighted creatures to wrestle on top of the lever (pan) and NOT spring the trap. Not every animal step is exacting the same weight on the soil beneath it, so when you reach the "straw" that exceeds the camel's carrying capacity, it breaks or in this case it fires the trap........................................... my take .... the mike This makes so much sense to me. Thanks.

Re: First double foot catch [Re: dedshaut] #7194184 02/24/21 08:29 AM 02/24/21 08:29 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,412 Pennsylvania H Hern trapper
Hern trapper H Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,412 Pennsylvania	Congratulations dedshaut. Neat catch. Right on Flint Hill fur. Here's couple other weird catches... Front foot catch...his only front foot Tail caught Possum... Elbow caught Grey... Nose caught Possum...

Re: First double foot catch [Re: Hern] #7194377 02/24/21 11:47 AM 02/24/21 11:47 AM
Joined: Dec 2020 Posts: 29 NM D dedshaut OP trapper
dedshaut OP trapper D Joined: Dec 2020 Posts: 29 NM	Originally Posted by Hern Congratulations dedshaut. Neat catch. Right on Flint Hill fur. Here's couple other weird catches... Front foot catch...his only front foot Tail caught Possum... Elbow caught Grey... Nose caught Possum... wow! those are some super crazy catches, thanks for sharing.

Re: First double foot catch [Re: dedshaut] #7194556 02/24/21 02:44 PM 02/24/21 02:44 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 5,777 central Illinois yoteguts trapper
yoteguts trapper Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 5,777 central Illinois	I’ve had a couple grinners by the tail but never by the nose. That’s a new one on me Hern. I'm itchin' to see a coyote twitchin'. More trappin' and less yappin'. Member FTA & USSA.

Re: First double foot catch [Re: dedshaut] #7195039 02/24/21 09:53 PM 02/24/21 09:53 PM
Joined: Aug 2015 Posts: 834 NE NE W Wife trapper
Wife trapper W Joined: Aug 2015 Posts: 834 NE NE	Caught a 2 legged coyote this year (suspect a sickle type cutter from a bean head or a windrower got him as a pup). Several 2 legged coons, a coon by the nose, skunks by the scrotum, opossums by the tail and snared a fox and this year a coyote by the mouth (Unloaded snare by the way). Never got a canine by the elbow but have caught several (9) Saw Whet owls in 220 boxes placed 4-6' above the ground and 1 in a cage trap. My boy caught a pocket gopher in a cage trap set in a hayfield. Lots of odd ones in the last 50 years............................. the mike

Re: First double foot catch [Re: dedshaut] #7195074 02/24/21 10:26 PM 02/24/21 10:26 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 5,777 central Illinois yoteguts trapper
yoteguts trapper Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 5,777 central Illinois	Wow two legged. Haven’t seen that. Here is two more tripods I’ve caught. One missing a back leg. Front leg. I'm itchin' to see a coyote twitchin'. More trappin' and less yappin'. Member FTA & USSA.

Re: First double foot catch [Re: dedshaut] #7195075 02/24/21 10:27 PM 02/24/21 10:27 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 5,777 central Illinois yoteguts trapper
yoteguts trapper Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 5,777 central Illinois	Weird two foot catch. I'm itchin' to see a coyote twitchin'. More trappin' and less yappin'. Member FTA & USSA.

Re: First double foot catch [Re: dedshaut] #7195259 02/25/21 06:32 AM 02/25/21 06:32 AM
Joined: May 2007 Posts: 2,626 Flint, Michigan bhugo trapper
bhugo trapper Joined: May 2007 Posts: 2,626 Flint, Michigan	Great thread. Thanks for posting the great pics guys! Member MTPCA, FTA and NTA

Re: First double foot catch [Re: dedshaut] #7195834 02/25/21 05:06 PM 02/25/21 05:06 PM
Joined: Dec 2020 Posts: 29 NM D dedshaut OP trapper
dedshaut OP trapper D Joined: Dec 2020 Posts: 29 NM	Wow, this thread turned out amazing. It's crazy how a 2 legged dog could survive so long.

Re: First double foot catch [Re: dedshaut] #7195846 02/25/21 05:25 PM 02/25/21 05:25 PM
Joined: Jan 2021 Posts: 496 Minnesota MNEric trapper
MNEric trapper Joined: Jan 2021 Posts: 496 Minnesota	^^^^x2

Re: First double foot catch [Re: yoteguts] #7195966 02/25/21 07:48 PM 02/25/21 07:48 PM
Joined: Dec 2020 Posts: 29 NM D dedshaut OP trapper
dedshaut OP trapper D Joined: Dec 2020 Posts: 29 NM	Originally Posted by yoteguts Weird two foot catch. That's nuts!

Re: First double foot catch [Re: dedshaut] #7195997 02/25/21 08:16 PM 02/25/21 08:16 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 5,777 central Illinois yoteguts trapper
yoteguts trapper Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 5,777 central Illinois	I'm itchin' to see a coyote twitchin'. More trappin' and less yappin'. Member FTA & USSA.

Re: First double foot catch [Re: dedshaut] #7196462 02/26/21 04:53 AM 02/26/21 04:53 AM
Joined: Mar 2016 Posts: 2,162 N.E. Nebr L LDW trapper
LDW trapper L Joined: Mar 2016 Posts: 2,162 N.E. Nebr	I've taken instruction twice from Kendall and he has a ton of pictures with double foot catches in his KO traps. Most of his sets are trench sets, which would be easier to explain than a dirthole. I run almost all stepdowns, but haven't had such a catch yet.

Re: First double foot catch [Re: dedshaut] #7196806 02/26/21 01:41 PM 02/26/21 01:41 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,412 Pennsylvania H Hern trapper
Hern trapper H Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,412 Pennsylvania	Neat pictures folks. I had some front/back foot catches, but no pics.

Re: First double foot catch [Re: dedshaut] #7197044 02/26/21 05:34 PM 02/26/21 05:34 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 5,777 central Illinois yoteguts trapper
yoteguts trapper Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 5,777 central Illinois	Lol Herb, I’ve had that on grinners but not yotes. I'm itchin' to see a coyote twitchin'. More trappin' and less yappin'. Member FTA & USSA.

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