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Re: NTA Alert: Oppose Biden Nominee! [Re: drasselt] #7194434
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If nothing else, this hearing is revealing that she has next to ZERO knowledge or understanding about the agency she's going to be approved to lead.
When questioned by Daines (Montana) about her guiding principles (supposedly science) in voting to keep grizzlies on the Endangered Species list after they exceeded scientific recovery goals, her response? "I guess I was caring about the bears".
Enlightening to say the least.

Re: NTA Alert: Oppose Biden Nominee! [Re: drasselt] #7194437
02/24/21 12:51 PM
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Haaland actually seems to support hunting and fishing, just not trapping. She probably understands killing for food and livelihood, not so much for ego.


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Re: NTA Alert: Oppose Biden Nominee! [Re: drasselt] #7194438
02/24/21 12:52 PM
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You have to fight or they will absolutely steam roll. Give up and you're done.


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Re: NTA Alert: Oppose Biden Nominee! [Re: Dirt] #7194441
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Haaland actually seems to support hunting and fishing, just not trapping. She probably understands killing for food and livelihood, not so much for ego.


There's more ego in hunting and more livelihood in trapping. Think she's got it backwards.

Re: NTA Alert: Oppose Biden Nominee! [Re: drasselt] #7194453
02/24/21 01:05 PM
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I used to make my livelihood from all three activities. Now only two. The State game management agency makes their money on only two also, but it has always been that way.


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Re: NTA Alert: Oppose Biden Nominee! [Re: drasselt] #7194455
02/24/21 01:06 PM
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Daines just specifically brought up hunting, fishing and trapping opportunities in the live hearing. She stated that she supports hunting and fishing, but failed to state that she supports trapping. He mentioned trapping twice. She did not mention it.

Re: NTA Alert: Oppose Biden Nominee! [Re: drasselt] #7194480
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Don Young support is a surprise but then again it isn't in some ways. His defense of trapping goes way back. This is a copy/paste from a 1995 Newsweek article:

By protecting loggers and oil drillers, the Alaskan lawmakers insist they are just trying to help constituents. President Clinton is threatening vetoes But Young, in particular, will be hard to slow down. At one hearing, he insisted steel-jaw traps aren't painful for animals. To illustrate the point, he closed his own hand in a trap and left it there. In the end, Young succeeded in thwarting a federal ban on the traps.


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Re: NTA Alert: Oppose Biden Nominee! [Re: drasselt] #7194493
02/24/21 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by drasselt
Don Young support is a surprise but then again it isn't in some ways. His defense of trapping goes way back. This is a copy/paste from a 1995 Newsweek article:

By protecting loggers and oil drillers, the Alaskan lawmakers insist they are just trying to help constituents. President Clinton is threatening vetoes But Young, in particular, will be hard to slow down. At one hearing, he insisted steel-jaw traps aren't painful for animals. To illustrate the point, he closed his own hand in a trap and left it there. In the end, Young succeeded in thwarting a federal ban on the traps.


A lot goes on behind the scenes. Just speculating, but I wonder if Young spoke with her about trapping and other AK issues prior to offering his support.

Re: NTA Alert: Oppose Biden Nominee! [Re: drasselt] #7194501
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She can't really ban trapping on all Federal lands in Alaska. Some lands, trapping is protected under ANILCA. Her focus may be more about BIA than wildlife.

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Re: NTA Alert: Oppose Biden Nominee! [Re: Dirt] #7194512
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Originally Posted by Dirt
She can't really ban trapping on all Federal lands in Alaska. Some lands, trapping is protected under ANILCA.

No, but I do think there's a good chance of this issue resurfacing, and challenging the state's authority to manage wildlife on fed refuge lands:
https://www.energy.senate.gov/2017/4/president-trump-signs-resolution-overturning-u-s-fish-and-wildlife-regulation#:~:text=On%20February%207%2C%202017%2C%20Alaska,federal%20refuge%20lands%20in%20Alaska.&text=The%20Senate%20passed%20H.J.

Re: NTA Alert: Oppose Biden Nominee! [Re: Dirt] #7194515
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Originally Posted by Dirt
She can't really ban trapping on all Federal lands in Alaska. Some lands, trapping is protected under ANILCA. Her focus may be more about BIA than wildlife.


Good point. If she took a hands off approach to the wildlife side of the position that might be a good thing for trappers.

Re: NTA Alert: Oppose Biden Nominee! [Re: jwood] #7194516
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Originally Posted by jwood
Originally Posted by Dirt
She can't really ban trapping on all Federal lands in Alaska. Some lands, trapping is protected under ANILCA. Her focus may be more about BIA than wildlife.


Good point. If she took a hands off approach to the wildlife side of the position that might be a good thing for trappers.


Unless she lobbies to "return" all federal land.

Re: NTA Alert: Oppose Biden Nominee! [Re: drasselt] #7194531
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Originally Posted by drasselt
Don Young support is a surprise but then again it isn't in some ways. His defense of trapping goes way back. This is a copy/paste from a 1995 Newsweek article:

By protecting loggers and oil drillers, the Alaskan lawmakers insist they are just trying to help constituents. President Clinton is threatening vetoes But Young, in particular, will be hard to slow down. At one hearing, he insisted steel-jaw traps aren't painful for animals. To illustrate the point, he closed his own hand in a trap and left it there. In the end, Young succeeded in thwarting a federal ban on the traps.



I did the same thing sometime in the 90's when trying (successfully) to convince the Wisconsin NRB to allow muskrat and mink trapping prior to the end of duck season in the Mississippi River Zone. They were concerned about dogs getting into the traps. Some of them winced when I did it but it worked. I used a 1/12 and a 110 to prove my point.

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Re: NTA Alert: Oppose Biden Nominee! [Re: jwood] #7194534
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Originally Posted by jwood
Originally Posted by Dirt
She can't really ban trapping on all Federal lands in Alaska. Some lands, trapping is protected under ANILCA.

No, but I do think there's a good chance of this issue resurfacing, and challenging the state's authority to manage wildlife on fed refuge lands:
https://www.energy.senate.gov/2017/4/president-trump-signs-resolution-overturning-u-s-fish-and-wildlife-regulation#:~:text=On%20February%207%2C%202017%2C%20Alaska,federal%20refuge%20lands%20in%20Alaska.&text=The%20Senate%20passed%20H.J.


Actually, what we have is dual management on Federal lands. Been that way since 1989, I believe. The battle has raged ever since.

"In 2014, U.S. Representative Don Young introduced the Alaska Native Subsistence Co-Management Demonstration Act as legislation for State-Federal-Tribal co-management of wildlife in the traditional Ahtna hunting territory in southern Alaska. The State of Alaska declined to testify under the condition that the Alaska Constitution bars co-management with other entities. As of June 2019, the number of State-Tribal or Federal-State-Tribal co-management agreements remains zero."

You can see where Don's priorities are.


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Re: NTA Alert: Oppose Biden Nominee! [Re: Dirt] #7194552
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Originally Posted by Dirt
She can't really ban trapping on all Federal lands in Alaska. Some lands, trapping is protected under ANILCA. Her focus may be more about BIA than wildlife.


Yes there is some protection there IF one is federally qualified. And Alaska Natives would not stand for a federal (subsistence) trapping ban. That said I don't trust them. Period.
There is a lot of federal land that our brother trappers need Outside. Dangerous times indeed.


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Re: NTA Alert: Oppose Biden Nominee! [Re: drasselt] #7194566
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The problem with Federal land is lack of local control by the people who use it. If you want Federal land it comes with nationwide control. People who will never use it, see it, or be affected by what is done on it : control it. frown

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Re: NTA Alert: Oppose Biden Nominee! [Re: Dirt] #7194643
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Originally Posted by Dirt
The problem with Federal land is lack of local control by the people who use it. If you want Federal land it comes with nationwide control. People who will never use it, see it, or be affected by what is done on it : control it. frown


You are absolutely correct, Dirt! When we were fighting "cookie-cutter" mandates from USFWS on the Refuge along the Mississippi that would have seriously curtailed hunter, trapper, and angler use, we formed and organized a lot of local opposition to them. The grassroots effort was successful in turning back a lot of what they wanted to do that would have caused a lot of grief for those of us that use the Refuge and that are also stewards of the Refuge resources. We did not win every battle but succeeded in most. Took some time and effort for sure but it was well worth it.

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Re: NTA Alert: Oppose Biden Nominee! [Re: drasselt] #7194697
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I messaged both of my senators.


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Re: NTA Alert: Oppose Biden Nominee! [Re: drasselt] #7194994
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I added my opposition to Haaland by emailing my senators.

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Re: NTA Alert: Oppose Biden Nominee! [Re: drasselt] #7204408
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From this weeks MN Outdoor news,

Land Tawney president Montana based Backcountry Hunters and Anglers Quote "She is approachable,capable and a bridge builder"

Howard Vincent executive director St Paul based Pheasants Forever Quote "We have sighed on to the formal letter in her support submitted by the American Wildlife Conservation Partners"

There are several outdoor groups who believe she should be appointed. You all might want to look into the organizations you support.

dresselt wish in one hand and crap in the other, you still have a hand full of crap.

The rest of you democrats might want at least vet your candidates.


Help yourself.



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