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Is it possible to have a rifle and bullet for that particular rifle that is zeroed at 100 yards and hits the same at 325 yards?

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Not on the level. Bullet begins dropping as soon as it leaves the muzzle, dead on at 100 is going to be approx., 8'' low at 325. Now if you were shooting uphill at the 100 yard, it could be possible the drop would hit the 325 on the money,






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Originally Posted by Wanna Be
Is it possible to have a rifle and bullet for that particular rifle that is zeroed at 100 yards and hits the same at 325 yards?



zero at 100 and back on again at 325 , your scope would have to be about 6 inches high above the barrel


hit the same place yes absolutely but it has to go high in the middle

my 223 laod from the 20 inch barrel is 6 inches high at 100 and 6 inches high at 300 and spot on a about 360 and 4 inches low at 400

it is spot on at 25meters 82 feet then 6 inches high at 100 , 10 high at 200 yards and 6 high at 300 yards and 4 low ant 400 yards , for 500 yards I need to add 4 1/2 minutes or about 22 inches of additional elevation


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The answer to your question would be it is possible if the scope is the correct distance above the barrel line. Tall rings vs low rings will change the second points the bullet crosses the scope line. Bullet would be rising to meet the cross hair at 100 and falling to meet it at 325. It would take a lot more math than I know to find out how tall your rings would need to be to make it workout to 100 and 325.

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here are some 223 numbers

3200 fps .235 bc 55gr bullet the highest the program would let me go is 4 inch high scope a good guess would be 8-9 inches because the bullet would need to travel up about 8.6 inches above the center of the barrel by 100 yards with this load

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if a 25 yard zero with a 2.6 inch high scope is used and it is about 6 high at 100 then it can be about 6 high at 350

this is why 25 yards or 25 meters is used as a battel site zero , if you have a standing man and you put the sight post on his belly button form 0 to about 425 your hitting from the belt buckle to the collar

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if you want it in 243 this is a 95gr superformace load from Hornady [Linked Image]


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Guy is claiming zeroed at 100. I saw a video posted of a shot at 326 yards. I asked if he had sighted his rifle in a 300 because the video showed him dead on the coyote/fox at that distance. He claims it’s zeroed at 100 and hit the same at 325. I just can’t wrap my head around that. He’s shooting a .243 but wouldn’t tell the bullet or grain of bullet.

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I wouldn’t have thought much of it, except the scope was dead on and supposedly no turrets on the scope for adjustment.

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ok re ran some numbers

if he is shooting a 58gr v-max superformace 3925fps and he is 1.3 inches high at 100 yards 2 inches high at 200 yards zero at 275 he would be 2.7 low at 325 which is close to calling it a 100 yard zero but it is not exactly a 100 yard zero

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Originally Posted by GREENCOUNTYPETE
ok re ran some numbers

if he is shooting a 58gr v-max superformace 3925fps and he is 1.3 inches high at 100 yards 2 inches high at 200 yards zero at 275 he would be 2.7 low at 325 which is close to calling it a 100 yard zero but it is not exactly a 100 yard zero

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probably

our .218 Bee or .222 Rem (can't remember which) was dead on at 30 yds (on the way UP) and dead on again at 250 yds (on the way DOWN)

you can study the charts in the Hornady reloading books I think and find it


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I see charts that show it is possible. Two things make it impractical to me. First, the height of the sight above the bore is excessive, and would be hard to plant my cheek to the stock. Second, I would not want to be 10 inches high at mid-range, where I expect to attempt the majority of my hunting shots.

Others may disagree. Just sharing some thinking that is logical to me. I assume we are thinking of a bolt action hunting rifle rather than an M16 platform (which does have a very high line of sight above the line of the bore).

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Not to be this guy but I'd go and just test it if possible. Zero at 100 move too 325 pain a line across you steel plate or what ever shoot at the "water line" see where it impacts and note that.

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100 yards is typically a really bad place to zero a rifle if you plan to shoot farther than 100 yards , basically everything is down hill form 100 yards

a small change to 2 inches high at 100 yards with a 2 inch high scope makes a huge difference however in the arc of the bullet

the exceptions being if you have mapped out the drop points from 100 to every other range you might shoot past there and log the hold over like a bdc retical or mill dot or moa dot


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Originally Posted by Wanna Be
I wouldn’t have thought much of it, except the scope was dead on and supposedly no turrets on the scope for adjustment.


sounds digital. thermal likely?

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If the scope on that rifle is mounted like a hunting/target rifle then it is either digital or it has a bdc of some kind. I don’t care what the claim is. A rifle with a traditionally mounted scope if dead zero at 100 is not will not cannot be dead on at 150, 250 or 326. GRAVITY effects ALL things equally o matter how fast. We’ Talking about a high speed low bc projectile. Theoretically it is pretty flat as it travels further in the time it takes to impact but it is not a laser. Yes if zero is 100 yards the projectile is still rising but not to the extent that it will cross the parallel axis on the way down unless the sight height is sufficient to cause that rainbow. Every rifle I hunt with travel at speeds in excess of 3,000 fps. They are 30-06 168 gr Barnes 3130, 30-378 180 gr Barnes 3,400 an a wildcatted 358 ultra mag 220 Barnes 3,350. The all have nightforce optics an near bases an rings. I have quite a few customs that are set up for long range I just don’t hunt with them even though they are hunting rifles. I have no need for a target rifle though I have respect for those that do as they are usually way better at the long range game than I will probably ever be. ALL my rifles except for rim fires and on with a carrying handle sight are zeroed dead zero at 100 yards and through load development and extensive range work the rifles are doped and a range card built. But that’s how I do it. I am very confident shooting well beyond 326 at small targets and all my optics have gradient lines for Kentucky windage. I’m not calling bs but there are definitely other factors at play.


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