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Re: MNDNR Walleye bag limit [Re: walleye101] #7196287
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T7 No I don't think it is a good thing-it shouldn't be allowed but that's what a liberal judge can do. I also don't believe the netting has had a big impact on the ML fisheries. The allowable harvest numbers are way to low to have a big impact. And the band has hardly ever reached the maximum harvest they are allowed. And that has lead to total mismanagement. The fishing in ML is as good or better than it has ever been.The fish are still there. But because of the allowable harvest numbers the DNR has to keep the harvest ridiculously low.

With that being said my problem is the myth of wanton waste that has been perpetuated. Possibly an isolated incident-sure. But wholesale wanton waste just has not happened. People seem to think the band fishing is just a big free for all and it is not. It is very highly regulated and the opportunities for the band members to cheat are very few. Now I am talking ML not other lakes in the ceded territories.

Re: MNDNR Walleye bag limit [Re: walleye101] #7196486
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Been following this with interest. I don't have a dog in the fight, but it seems to me everyone, Indian or not, should have to play by the same rules.

Re: MNDNR Walleye bag limit [Re: trapdog1] #7196540
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Originally Posted by trapdog1
Been following this with interest. I don't have a dog in the fight, but it seems to me everyone, Indian or not, should have to play by the same rules.


If only that thought and idea had always been applied to the natives. However, anyone with an ounce of honesty can admit they’ve had much shittier rules to play by.

Re: MNDNR Walleye bag limit [Re: rvsask] #7196551
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Originally Posted by rvsask
Originally Posted by trapdog1
Been following this with interest. I don't have a dog in the fight, but it seems to me everyone, Indian or not, should have to play by the same rules.


If only that thought and idea had always been applied to the natives. However, anyone with an ounce of honesty can admit they’ve had much shittier rules to play by.


Who do you mean by they? You can't possibly mean the Indians.

Re: MNDNR Walleye bag limit [Re: walleye101] #7196559
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Bernie, if you can’t acknowledge the raw deal they got then,...................
I’m not surprised.

Re: MNDNR Walleye bag limit [Re: walleye101] #7196564
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Oh boy! ..here we go!

Back to the original OP, there is no data to suggest reducing statewide would change anything.

Re: MNDNR Walleye bag limit [Re: walleye101] #7196568
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Tell that to the tribes the existing tribes wiped out.

Re: MNDNR Walleye bag limit [Re: rvsask] #7196636
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Originally Posted by rvsask
Bernie, if you can’t acknowledge the raw deal they got then,...................
I’m not surprised.


Guess I know a little more about Native American history than you do.

You said they have to play by {bad} rules. They play by NO rules. No bag limits, no seasons no closed periods day or night. Yeah they really have to play by horrible rules.

Like the natives that moved a mobile processing plant onto the west side of the Duck Mountians a couple years ago and hunted elk at night and day with thermal and night visions scopes. They nearly wiped out the entire herd of elk in less than two weeks. Terrible rules, it really sucks for them.

Those are terrible rules they have to abide by that make them use gill nets during the spawn so they can only catch hundreds of walleyes per person instead of 6 per day. And of course it forces them to kill muskies and other bycatch accidentally and throw them to the bottom of the lake. Man it sucks for them. That spearing thing in Wisconsin too. Horrible that they have to do that instead of catch puny little limits like non-natives. Poor little Indians.

Re: MNDNR Walleye bag limit [Re: walleye101] #7196653
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Biden will further implement UNDRIP so that Indigenous people will have control of the existing natural resources on their traditional territory and move towards self determination,without interference by the colonizers..

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Re: MNDNR Walleye bag limit [Re: Boco] #7196656
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Originally Posted by Boco
Biden will further implement UNDRIP so that Indigenous people will have control of the existing natural resources on their traditional territory and move towards self determination,without interference by the colonizers..

You mean indians


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Re: MNDNR Walleye bag limit [Re: mnsota] #7197386
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Originally Posted by mnsota
Oh boy! ..here we go!

Back to the original OP, there is no data to suggest reducing statewide would change anything.


Thanks mnsota, but it is impossible to steer this thread back on topic. No one cares about the statewide Walleye limit. Mille Lacs is way more fun.

Re: MNDNR Walleye bag limit [Re: walleye101] #7197395
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Originally Posted by walleye101
Originally Posted by mnsota
Oh boy! ..here we go!

Back to the original OP, there is no data to suggest reducing statewide would change anything.


Thanks mnsota, but it is impossible to steer this thread back on topic. No one cares about the statewide Walleye limit. Mille Lacs is way more fun.

Doing the same crap here with brook trout.


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Re: MNDNR Walleye bag limit [Re: Boco] #7197398
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Originally Posted by Boco
Biden will further implement UNDRIP so that Indigenous people will have control of the existing natural resources on their traditional territory and move towards self determination,without interference by the colonizers..


Self determination? What does that even mean? Colonizers. That's funny.

Re: MNDNR Walleye bag limit [Re: walleye101] #7197409
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You said they have to play by {bad} rules. They play by NO rules. No bag limits, no seasons no closed periods day or night. Yeah they really have to play by horrible rules.

I don't think you know a whole lot about this subject Bernie-at least you are not talking about the MN tribes. The seasons might be called fairly liberal but they have rules they have to play by also. And what about all the wanton waste you said was documented?? Haven't seen it yet.

Re: MNDNR Walleye bag limit [Re: walleye101] #7197505
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Thanks mnsota, but it is impossible to steer this thread back on topic. No one cares about the statewide Walleye limit. Mille Lacs is way more fun.


,..does that mean the gloves are off? grin,...gman,you're looking through Steve Wonders eyes,..plenty of documentation. Throw your net out there in the world of information,..we're not allowed to!

Re: MNDNR Walleye bag limit [Re: walleye101] #7197885
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.plenty of documentation.

lets see it--I can't find it. I doubt you can either. A little here or there -possibly-wholesale wanton waste--bs



you said they have to play by {bad} rules. They play by NO rules. No bag limits, no seasons no closed periods day or night. Yeah they really have to play by horrible rules.

and this is pure bs

Re: MNDNR Walleye bag limit [Re: mnsota] #7198100
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Originally Posted by mnsota

Thanks mnsota, but it is impossible to steer this thread back on topic. No one cares about the statewide Walleye limit. Mille Lacs is way more fun.


,..does that mean the gloves are off? grin,...gman,you're looking through Steve Wonders eyes,..plenty of documentation. Throw your net out there in the world of information,..we're not allowed to!


Yes, fiddling while Rome burns.................................Apparently we're going to spend our time bickering and bashing Walleye management on one lake while the state is quietly reducing the Walleye bag limit on all the others for no reason.

Re: MNDNR Walleye bag limit [Re: BernieB.] #7198143
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Originally Posted by BernieB.
Originally Posted by rvsask
Bernie, if you can’t acknowledge the raw deal they got then,...................
I’m not surprised.


Guess I know a little more about Native American history than you do.

You said they have to play by {bad} rules. They play by NO rules. No bag limits, no seasons no closed periods day or night. Yeah they really have to play by horrible rules.

Like the natives that moved a mobile processing plant onto the west side of the Duck Mountians a couple years ago and hunted elk at night and day with thermal and night visions scopes. They nearly wiped out the entire herd of elk in less than two weeks. Terrible rules, it really sucks for them.

Those are terrible rules they have to abide by that make them use gill nets during the spawn so they can only catch hundreds of walleyes per person instead of 6 per day. And of course it forces them to kill muskies and other bycatch accidentally and throw them to the bottom of the lake. Man it sucks for them. That spearing thing in Wisconsin too. Horrible that they have to do that instead of catch puny little limits like non-natives. Poor little Indians.


Do you know more about their history than I? Maybe you do, maybe you don’t. Don’t assume bc I’m from Canada I know nothing of Native American History. You’re busy focusing on these specific rules while I speak of other rules. They didn’t get to vote in Minnesota until 1960. The Indian Relocation Act of1956 further pushed them into poverty. Centuries of Federal rules put them at a disadvantage socially and economically. Those are the rules I speak of and I’ve got enough empathy in my bones to acknowledge that. At least I can acknowledge my great grandpa left his Norwegian immigrant family behind in Minnesota and came to Saskatchewan where his great great grandkids will inherit a bunch of high priced farmland that was once native land while their native buddies, while catching up, are behind the 8 ball in comparison to them. We feel no need to apologize for it, we too are a product of a system. But we are aware.
I guess that’s why when me and my boys are sitting in my 40000 dollar Lund boat, catching and releasing 45 inch northerns in May we won’t give a (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) about the ones we know are in the smokehouses in front of the dilapidated native shacks scattered along the bay. We worry more about the hundreds of spoiled guys like ourselves konking those big females and making sure they have a limit to take home and spread around their neighbourhood after their weekend in the lodge is over.

There are definitely things that need to be addressed in regards to their usage of those rights in conjunction with hunting and fishing but to blanket that as the problem itself is pretty narrow minded.

Re: MNDNR Walleye bag limit [Re: walleye101] #7198165
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At the lake we have a cabinI find that most of the “fish pigs” as we like to call them, prefer to blame native netting when numbers seem poorer but from the perspective of a person that’s been fishing there for three decades it’s not so simple. The native netting has always been happening and the drop in numbers and limits has also strangely corresponded with major increase in angling pressure and 15 barrels of walleye and pike carcasses being hauled away from the filleting shacks each days for months on end.

Re: MNDNR Walleye bag limit [Re: walleye101] #7198265
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Good posts Sask.

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