Lol Boco, Let me spell it out for you...The people who live in any given place are going to know much more about what is going on there, than someone who doesn't.

Stick to being a Canadian know it all, you suck at American matters

Up Yours Upstate,I will go wherever I want whenever I want.
I have been all over the States FYI.
I bet your scared to come to Canada.Too soft for the climate.
You dummies cant partake in an intelligent debate so you jump to playing the race card.

Hahahaaaa,,go put some of yer hot air in the tires on yer house Bozo.PAKISTANADA

Why,so I can haul it to NY-LOL-As If.

That seems to be the main issue these days Boco. Folks can’t have a civilized debate with those that have a different opinion. We disagree with each other, doesn’t mean we hate each other.

Some people only want to hear their viewpoint said back to them. They like living in an echo chamber.




You’re still wrong about Waco, they could’ve detained him and executed their warrant without murdering people. But, they needed a show of force.

Could’ve been prevented. But, that allowed the militarization of the police force. And they could try to ban semiautomatic rifles.

We will never know what actually happened to those people, they were murdered by their own government.

The dead don’t make good witnesses, so we really only know the governments side.

The reason I dont believe that is that they could have done it much easier and cleaner if they had the intent to kill and burn everyone inside.
I dont buy it for a minute.
I support law and order.They followed procedure to a T in that case.
They could not jeapordize the court case by not going in heavy before Koresh and his henchmen could destroy evidence.
They did not foresee Koresh murdering his own people and destroying the entire place by torching it.
It is entirely the consequence of people not following direct orders from law enforcement same exactly as every other case like of blacks like Brown and others getting themselves killed by police by seeking confrontation instead of complying with lawful orders.

I have no use for people who think they are above the law-I support law enforcement-it is what upholds civilized society-I dont support the antifa type that are always against law and order and paint the bad guys as good and the good guys as bad.

You just have to look at Minneapolis to see the results of not giving the police the ability to enforce the law.
I dont support you people that want that.

Like I said, the governments side, no need for the edit.

Black guy walking down the street .Cop pulls up and says stop and come here black guy says I haven't done anything so no. He keeps on walking .Cop pulls out taser and saps him he screams and pulls out a knife so cop shoots him. Most of you would say if he had listened to the cop in the first place he would not have been shot. I see the same difference here if that nut job child molester would have done as asked no one would have died . As far as the leader he was a child molesting pervert from a nut job faith and dug his own hole.

Amazingly they manage to get the guy without burning the children to death in the vehicle he pulled the knife from.

Please try again.

Boco

Let me try to explain it this way to you and see if this could be a logical argument to why the government was wrong

I am confident the government before the raid knew exactly how loose of a cannon koresch was and that his people were brain washed and he was having his way with the women’s nod children. But these government agency have all the resources on their side, physiologists , and experts in apprehending people like this and all the money and time and laws are on government side. So any logical person could say, hey let’s no go in with a strong raid and show of force because their is guns in there, a crazy man and followers that beloved he was the messiah, if we do someone could get hurt, even if it’s an accident. How do smart college people that are top leaders in the government take a stupid chance like that with kids around. When they can be smart and tactful and find a away to grab him and then go back for the evidence. Even if they did destroy the evidence I am sure they could hold him for life as the government can be creativite and come up with things that a judge on the side of the government would say he is crazy and hold him. Or get some of his followers to tell on him after they have had some phylogical help.

So maybe in your mind they followed their rights as law enforcement, but I think the dumbest person in town could see this was not going to end well, and those kids were American citizens and they deserved the government to me smart and cunning and keep them safe and bring them all out alive,, and not be a casualty of the situation and blame it on koresch

So the plan to "rescue the kids" was to go in on day one with guns firing... at the building housing said kids... which caused a standoff where the kids were trapped with the pervert for weeks... then cutting off the power... and finally pumping flammable noxious gas into a wooden stucture with a tank?

All to save the kids.

Yep, that's how I would do it.

Mike

Too many what ifs there.
They went with the best plan for the information they had at the time.
The dog would have caught the Rabbit too IF he hadnt stopped for a shite.

You cant take kids away from their parents without solid evidence that will stand up in court-that is what they were in the process of doing when Koresh killed everyone.

According to the Texas Rangers at the time, there was no evidence of child molestation. That charge was cooked up by Bill Clinton after the fact in an attempt to justify the horribly botched slaughter. If anyone doubts the horror of that day, find and read the autopsy reports of how the folks in the interior rooms, who were mainly children died.

Those aren't what-ifs... That's the "plan" they used to "rescue the kids."

ATF also lied to the TX National Guard to gain use of their helicopters. I don't remember what the reason (lie) was... I want to say it was that the Davidians had drugs on the premises. But I would have to look it up. Whatver it was, it was BS, and the TXNG were beaucoup PO'ed that they got swindled into providing helicopters for air cover.

ATF is a joke. Other federal agencies refer to them as F Troop.

Mike

I read somewhere that Texas CPS had said there were no reports beforehand... But I can't substantiate that.

I also read that one of the first of the Davidians to die was Koresh's 2 year old daughter (in his arms) who caught an ATF slug when they pulled up and started shooting... That may be rumor mill too. Hope so anyway.

Mike

Boco,

You are a very good trapper I will give you that, but you are also being stubborn and obtuse if you can’t see the stupidity of your thoughts.

It’s the closed minded thoughts like that, that killed them kids in the first place

Wrong^^
I'm only a mediocre trapper.
And Wrong.

Don't have to try anything again. Face it this is all he said she said .None of us were there .