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Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? [Re: Boco] #7200868
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Originally Posted by Boco


That didnt happen when Henry Ford raised the wages of all his assembly line workers so they could afford to buy one of his cars.
In fact quite the opposite.
In fact it created so much demand that he sold more at cheaper prices and increased his own profits in the long term.


That's not quite accurate. I know that is the story everyone has been taught, like the Thanksgiving fantasy, but the truth is a bit more ruthless.
Ford raised wages because labor was hard to retain. Overall, wages were rising and his people kept leaving to chase higher wages. So he raised what he was paying in order to take workers from other industries and keep them.
The fact that some may have been able to buy a car was an afterthought. Also remember that Ford had just created the assembly line thus increasing productivity of each worker.
That's not likely to happen when/if Congress mandates 15$ and hour for someone with no skills.


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Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? [Re: Gary Benson] #7200873
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The business world isn't what it was in Henry Ford's days.

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? [Re: Gary Benson] #7200874
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There's a difference between when one company raises wages and when you arbitrarily raise the wages of a 1% of the workforce by double. Competition will bring wages up, which of already happening now. Eventually costs will catch up. You can live paycheck to paycheck at 100k a you can at 20k depending on where you live and lifestyle.

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? [Re: Gary Benson] #7200878
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Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? [Re: Gary Benson] #7200881
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I haven't quite figured out if government is full of morons or evil geniuses...

Their track record is to legislate a solution to a problem... And the unintended consequences of the solution create 3 more problems... So they legislate more solutions to the 3 problems they created... And now they have 9 problems to fix. And the cycle continues.

We're at the point that the little Dutch boy is running out of fingers to plug all the leaks.

Mike


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Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? [Re: Gary Benson] #7200883
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Auto workers need to take a pay cut, 40 to 50 Gs for a new truck. See what Ford started.

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? [Re: k snow] #7200886
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Originally Posted by k snow
The business world isn't what it was in Henry Ford's days.

It is in Canada.


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Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? [Re: Gary Benson] #7200897
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40-50k for a plain Jane model.


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Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? [Re: Gary Benson] #7200898
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Obama raised the minimum wage to 15 when he was in office it quietly disappeared cause businesses cut their employee's hours to less then 40 making them part-time and not eligible
You're right White17 people left ford cause he was working them to death and the higher wage meant he'd have a steady supply of fresh meat coming thru the door


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Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? [Re: Gary Benson] #7200905
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That aint what Boco sez and he knows Merica!
Minimum wage doesn't include part time??


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Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? [Re: jeff karsten] #7200912
03/01/21 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by jeff karsten
Obama raised the minimum wage to 15 when he was in office it quietly disappeared cause businesses cut their employee's hours to less then 40 making them part-time and not eligible
You're right White17 people left ford cause he was working them to death and the higher wage meant he'd have a steady supply of fresh meat coming thru the door

That was obamacare reclassifying 30 hrs as full time.

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? [Re: Gary Benson] #7200916
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Ah.....that he did.


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Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? [Re: Steven 49er] #7200920
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There will be no stimulus checks either is my prediction. (thank God) LLL


Larry, I don't see how the house will allow that to happen.

My wager would be that if there isn't direct payments the whole bill dies. Won't be the last time I'm wrong.


They will not vote for a bill that does not have it in there and the Senate cannot pass one with it. Very simply all or nothing. LLL


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Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? [Re: Gary Benson] #7200925
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the cost of living has outpaced the working mans ability to stay ahead in these times,the wealthy keep getting richer (billionaires now) the guy or gal that wont to work is still the driveing force for the countrys success, thier is to much social give aways now that influences people not to work for a liveing.let the workers earn a wage they can live on. extream inflation not good. we can all say remember when.
take care


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Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? [Re: Gary Benson] #7200934
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I have been listening to the argument against raising the minimum wage since 1967 when it went to $1.40 per hour. I am sure some businesses were hurt by having to pay their help more than what they were paying them but many survived and prospered. FYI the federal minimum wage has been around since 1938.

I just read an article about workers in Denmark that work at McDonalds that make $20.00 per hour plus benefits and the price of a Big Mac is 80 cents higher than it is here in US.

The last time the minimum wage was raised was in 2009 when it was raised to $7.25. Maybe if we had raised it a little each year we wouldn’t be having this discussion now.

It is time to raise the minimum wage. It might have more support if they were not trying to double it.

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? [Re: billy] #7200938
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Originally Posted by billy
the cost of living has outpaced the working mans ability to stay ahead in these times,the wealthy keep getting richer (billionaires now) the guy or gal that wont to work is still the driveing force for the countrys success, thier is to much social give aways now that influences people not to work for a liveing.let the workers earn a wage they can live on. extream inflation not good. we can all say remember when.
take care


Let the workers earn a wage they can live on. That's $2400/month gross based on a 40 hr work week. And we give money to those who won't work. What are we going to do for the elderly getting $1000 per month for SS?


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Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? [Re: Rat Masterson] #7200940
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Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
Auto workers need to take a pay cut, 40 to 50 Gs for a new truck. See what Ford started.


I heard some famer friends complaining about the cost of farm equipment too. According to them, it sounds as though they think the workers wages are causing tractors & combines to be so expensive.


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Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? [Re: beeman] #7200947
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Originally Posted by beeman
I have been listening to the argument against raising the minimum wage since 1967 when it went to $1.40 per hour. I am sure some businesses were hurt by having to pay their help more than what they were paying them but many survived and prospered. FYI the federal minimum wage has been around since 1938.

I just read an article about workers in Denmark that work at McDonalds that make $20.00 per hour plus benefits and the price of a Big Mac is 80 cents higher than it is here in US.

The last time the minimum wage was raised was in 2009 when it was raised to $7.25. Maybe if we had raised it a little each year we wouldn’t be having this discussion now.

It is time to raise the minimum wage. It might have more support if they were not trying to double it.

Denmark doesn't use the dollar, they use the krone. Someone is pimping the numbers.


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Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? [Re: Gary Benson] #7200958
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Originally Posted by Gary Benson
Originally Posted by billy
the cost of living has outpaced the working mans ability to stay ahead in these times,the wealthy keep getting richer (billionaires now) the guy or gal that wont to work is still the driveing force for the countrys success, thier is to much social give aways now that influences people not to work for a liveing.let the workers earn a wage they can live on. extream inflation not good. we can all say remember when.
take care


Let the workers earn a wage they can live on. That's $2400/month gross based on a 40 hr work week. And we give money to those who won't work. What are we going to do for the elderly getting $1000 per month for SS?

Ummm...that's 15/hr #maths

Re: Is $15/hr minimum wage reality? [Re: Gary Benson] #7200963
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Originally Posted by Gary Benson
Originally Posted by beeman
I have been listening to the argument against raising the minimum wage since 1967 when it went to $1.40 per hour. I am sure some businesses were hurt by having to pay their help more than what they were paying them but many survived and prospered. FYI the federal minimum wage has been around since 1938.

I just read an article about workers in Denmark that work at McDonalds that make $20.00 per hour plus benefits and the price of a Big Mac is 80 cents higher than it is here in US.

The last time the minimum wage was raised was in 2009 when it was raised to $7.25. Maybe if we had raised it a little each year we wouldn’t be having this discussion now.

It is time to raise the minimum wage. It might have more support if they were not trying to double it.

Denmark doesn't use the dollar, they use the krone. Someone is pimping the numbers.

They're also paying 40-55% in taxes..

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