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Re: Wax Paper or Steel Screens
[Re: Wanna Be]
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02/19/21 01:08 AM
02/19/21 01:08 AM
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I mostly use waxed dirt to cover the landscape cloth but the few time I have use just grass they worked just fine but then I haven't had to deal with long periods of hard rain either.
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Re: Wax Paper or Steel Screens
[Re: Zagman]
#7189024
02/19/21 10:13 AM
02/19/21 10:13 AM
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For me, steel on my Pipe Dream with grass covering.....wax patty papers in my hole sets with peat moss.
MZ Why the difference?
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Re: Wax Paper or Steel Screens
[Re: Wvpossum]
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02/19/21 02:17 PM
02/19/21 02:17 PM
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SW Georgia
Wanna Be
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Depends. If bare ground I’ll bed them the old fashion way...peat moss and dirt over the top with with polyfil under the pan. That may be overkill, but I want them functioning as long as possible. Most of my sets are in or around grass, so Pipe Dream sets, flat sets, and most scent post sets get the screen and a light covering of grass or leaves. It just works for me. Like I stated, this year has been extremely wet, wetter than normal.
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Re: Wax Paper or Steel Screens
[Re: Zagman]
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02/20/21 02:14 PM
02/20/21 02:14 PM
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Flint Lock
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What I said above:
With the Pipe Dream and grass, I need the stiff backbone of the steel screen to support my material (grass) and provide a perfect, nice, flat, low place to step to work the pipe.
Zagman What I meant was why don't you do the hole sets the same way?
Last edited by Flint Lock; 02/20/21 02:15 PM.
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Re: Wax Paper or Steel Screens
[Re: Wvpossum]
#7190452
02/20/21 02:45 PM
02/20/21 02:45 PM
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Wisconsin
The Beav
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How do you bed a trap In peat moss and have It bedded rock solid..
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Re: Wax Paper or Steel Screens
[Re: Wanna Be]
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02/20/21 06:15 PM
02/20/21 06:15 PM
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Straight screen user here spring summer fall and winter. And dogless trap.
With say mb550 or duke 550 type trap you are better off using other types of pan coverings, a coffee filter will work also just to add to stuff used lol. Why do you think screen would be a bad choice for dogged 550’s? It has seemed to work fine for me, but I might be missing something. I do think it can be used but it would seem to me the stiff steel screen that keg creek sells imo you pretty much have to perform, maybe not I do not use a mb 550 trap I just slide mine in it lays flat as a pancake In a trap. I also believe preforming steel screen defeats the screen purpose imo.
Kenneth schoening
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Re: Wax Paper or Steel Screens
[Re: Flint Lock]
#7194156
02/24/21 07:38 AM
02/24/21 07:38 AM
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Central New York State
Zagman
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What I said above:
With the Pipe Dream and grass, I need the stiff backbone of the steel screen to support my material (grass) and provide a perfect, nice, flat, low place to step to work the pipe.
Zagman What I meant was why don't you do the hole sets the same way? If its a hay field I am setting in, then I can do my hole sets the same. BUT, then I know that holes gonna flood and/or fill in with snow, SO, more and more, IF in a hay field, I just make Pipe Sets OR....IF its a "hole" set, perhaps its just two small double poke holes I make with my cable stake driver. If in a corn field or soy bean field, I just don't like the "look" of a hole set with a grass covering. I can do it, but not ideal. Probably more me than the coyotes that don't like it.....just how I've evolved, I reckon.... MZ
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Re: Wax Paper or Steel Screens
[Re: Wvpossum]
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02/25/21 02:21 AM
02/25/21 02:21 AM
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Rochester, MN
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Three years ago, I tried the pipe dream set and failed miserably. Two years ago, every other day it rained. The ground was absolutely saturated. Driving on field roads guaranteed deep ruts or getting stuck so I had to walk in. Setting dirtholes meant bringing dirt in for every set so I opted for the pipe dream set and it worked flawlessly. Last fall, due to a wet opener, I used the pipe dream set with Keg Creek black pan covers I had sitting around for my #3 Montanas. Also used the not so stiff galvanized steel screen produced by John Graham for my 550s. Both provided just enough stiffness to support the grass and catch critters.
Being cheap, I didn’t buy any Keg Creek pan cover replacements and just bought several dozen of John Graham’s covers. When I set my screens they fit over the pans but under the jaws.
While finish sanding some sheet rock plaster a couple years ago, I found sanding screen was almost as thick and stiff as the Keg Creek screen covers. Now I just need to find a source for the quantity I use. Please note: it isn’t metal and I don’t know how well it holds up to moisture. If it makes it thru some experimental sets, I may be buying it for trapping purposes in the future.
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Re: Wax Paper or Steel Screens
[Re: Teacher]
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02/25/21 07:58 AM
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Central New York State
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Three years ago, I tried the pipe dream set and failed miserably. Two years ago, every other day it rained. The ground was absolutely saturated. Driving on field roads guaranteed deep ruts or getting stuck so I had to walk in. Setting dirtholes meant bringing dirt in for every set so I opted for the pipe dream set and it worked flawlessly. Last fall, due to a wet opener, I used the pipe dream set with Keg Creek black pan covers I had sitting around for my #3 Montanas. Also used the not so stiff galvanized steel screen produced by John Graham for my 550s. Both provided just enough stiffness to support the grass and catch critters.
Being cheap, I didn’t buy any Keg Creek pan cover replacements and just bought several dozen of John Graham’s covers. When I set my screens they fit over the pans but under the jaws.
While finish sanding some sheet rock plaster a couple years ago, I found sanding screen was almost as thick and stiff as the Keg Creek screen covers. Now I just need to find a source for the quantity I use. Please note: it isn’t metal and I don’t know how well it holds up to moisture. If it makes it thru some experimental sets, I may be buying it for trapping purposes in the future. Your story is similar to MANY I've heard.....tried it a few times, no success. Then, one year, incessant rain and try it again, and BINGO. The whole thing came about due to ANNUAL rains during coyote season and forcing me to let the Necessity is the Mother of All Inventions approach kick in..... Again, I've said this a million times, I was making my T-Bones, Grass Tuft (post set), Wooden Dowel, Double Poke Holes, etc. like this for a LONG LONG time. The Pipe was added last, but gave the set its name. Everyone's hung up on the pipe, but as this thread shows, the steel screen and grass are a big part of it as well. MZ
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Re: Wax Paper or Steel Screens
[Re: Zagman]
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02/25/21 10:24 AM
02/25/21 10:24 AM
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Flint, Michigan
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Three years ago, I tried the pipe dream set and failed miserably. Two years ago, every other day it rained. The ground was absolutely saturated. Driving on field roads guaranteed deep ruts or getting stuck so I had to walk in. Setting dirtholes meant bringing dirt in for every set so I opted for the pipe dream set and it worked flawlessly. Last fall, due to a wet opener, I used the pipe dream set with Keg Creek black pan covers I had sitting around for my #3 Montanas. Also used the not so stiff galvanized steel screen produced by John Graham for my 550s. Both provided just enough stiffness to support the grass and catch critters.
Being cheap, I didn’t buy any Keg Creek pan cover replacements and just bought several dozen of John Graham’s covers. When I set my screens they fit over the pans but under the jaws.
While finish sanding some sheet rock plaster a couple years ago, I found sanding screen was almost as thick and stiff as the Keg Creek screen covers. Now I just need to find a source for the quantity I use. Please note: it isn’t metal and I don’t know how well it holds up to moisture. If it makes it thru some experimental sets, I may be buying it for trapping purposes in the future. Your story is similar to MANY I've heard.....tried it a few times, no success. Then, one year, incessant rain and try it again, and BINGO. The whole thing came about due to ANNUAL rains during coyote season and forcing me to let the Necessity is the Mother of All Inventions approach kick in..... Again, I've said this a million times, I was making my T-Bones, Grass Tuft (post set), Wooden Dowel, Double Poke Holes, etc. like this for a LONG LONG time. The Pipe was added last, but gave the set its name. Everyone's hung up on the pipe, but as this thread shows, the steel screen and grass are a big part of it as well. MZ Thanks for your help in this thread. If I were to try this in an area that’s froze nightly, how would I freeze proof it? I usually bed in waxed sand. I am interested in trying this method of bedding.
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Re: Wax Paper or Steel Screens
[Re: Zagman]
#7195622
02/25/21 01:47 PM
02/25/21 01:47 PM
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Flint, Michigan
bhugo
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Frozen ground....I salt the top edge all around the trap jaws where I pinched the sod in against the jaws with my hammer. Seems to work fine......
MZ Thank you.
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Re: Wax Paper or Steel Screens
[Re: Zagman]
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03/01/21 06:20 PM
03/01/21 06:20 PM
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Va
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Three years ago, I tried the pipe dream set and failed miserably. Two years ago, every other day it rained. The ground was absolutely saturated. Driving on field roads guaranteed deep ruts or getting stuck so I had to walk in. Setting dirtholes meant bringing dirt in for every set so I opted for the pipe dream set and it worked flawlessly. Last fall, due to a wet opener, I used the pipe dream set with Keg Creek black pan covers I had sitting around for my #3 Montanas. Also used the not so stiff galvanized steel screen produced by John Graham for my 550s. Both provided just enough stiffness to support the grass and catch critters.
Being cheap, I didn’t buy any Keg Creek pan cover replacements and just bought several dozen of John Graham’s covers. When I set my screens they fit over the pans but under the jaws.
While finish sanding some sheet rock plaster a couple years ago, I found sanding screen was almost as thick and stiff as the Keg Creek screen covers. Now I just need to find a source for the quantity I use. Please note: it isn’t metal and I don’t know how well it holds up to moisture. If it makes it thru some experimental sets, I may be buying it for trapping purposes in the future. Your story is similar to MANY I've heard.....tried it a few times, no success. Then, one year, incessant rain and try it again, and BINGO. The whole thing came about due to ANNUAL rains during coyote season and forcing me to let the Necessity is the Mother of All Inventions approach kick in..... Again, I've said this a million times, I was making my T-Bones, Grass Tuft (post set), Wooden Dowel, Double Poke Holes, etc. like this for a LONG LONG time. The Pipe was added last, but gave the set its name. Everyone's hung up on the pipe, but as this thread shows, the steel screen and grass are a big part of it as well. MZ Mark, its good to see you here on this thread. I started using your pipe several years ago with great success, thanks so much for sharing. We were sloppy wet in Va this year and the pipe really shined. I experimented by putting in a dirt hole and pipe 10 feet apart in lots of locations. On multiple checks after heavy rains the dirt holes were washed out and the pipes held jumping yotes. On a side note I caught an otter in a soybean field in a pipe set. He was crossing through my field going from pond to pond. Otter season was out and I had to release him which is quite a trick when the mouth is so close to those short legs.. I used a catch pole to hold him and slid my grass clipping bag over his head, which calmed him a bit but didnt do anything for me, but give me a chance to spring the levers and let him out.
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