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Re: How many of you [Re: larrywaugh] #7203275
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4th Amendment of the US Constitution covers EVERY person in the US and applies to EVERY officer in EVERY state.


State laws DO NOT override it.


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Re: How many of you [Re: larrywaugh] #7203291
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In Ga, GWs are allowed by state law to go on property, outside of buildings, without a warrant, in the performance of their duties. The 4th protects us from improper searches and seizures in our homes, outbuuldings, and curtilage, and to some extent our vehicles, but a GW being on your land without your permission is not trepassing....at least not in Ga.

A GW's obvious duty is enforcement of wildlife laws. Wildlife is not owned by anyone. It is owned by the people of your state and held in trust by your state's wildlife agency to mange and conserve for the people. So, what does that mean? It means you or your neighbors cant legally help themselves to the wildlife irrespective of your state's laws.


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Re: How many of you [Re: larrywaugh] #7203338
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That says unreasonable searches-reasonable searches are OK then.In other words they cant search without a reason.If they see something then they have a reason.
A search can be reasonable without a warrant.

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Re: How many of you [Re: larrywaugh] #7203341
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I would not push till I get shot or assaulted but without a warrant I will refuse to unlock anything or participate. Game wardens are under the authority of the constitution no matter what lies they tell you.


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Re: How many of you [Re: larrywaugh] #7203344
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P.S. If the local warden knocks on my door and asks if I have any wild meat or skins i will answer truthfully. Probably show them to him/her if there is a reason to look beyond my word.

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Re: How many of you [Re: Boco] #7203345
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Originally Posted by Boco
That says unreasonable searches-reasonable searches are OK then.In other words they cant search without a reason.If they see something then they have a reason.
A search can be reasonable without a warrant.



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Re: How many of you [Re: Boco] #7203348
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Originally Posted by Boco

A search can be reasonable without a warrant.


Yes. The US Supreme Court has ruled (on many cases) that there are times when circumstances justify/override the need to secure a search warrant. When evidence of the crime could be easily destroyed or lost/when exigent circumstances exist for timesake/ for officer safety in certain situations such as traffic stops that may involve weapons within reach.....to name a few.

Oh...and when consent is given...a warrant is not needed.

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Re: How many of you [Re: danny clifton] #7203355
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
P.S. If the local warden knocks on my door and asks if I have any wild meat or skins i will answer truthfully. Probably show them to him/her if there is a reason to look beyond my word.

Took 6 min for you to flip-flop on that...lol

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Re: How many of you [Re: larrywaugh] #7203357
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Show up at my door demanding to search and see who gets fliped fooed


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Re: How many of you [Re: danny clifton] #7203360
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Show up at my door demanding to search and see who gets fliped fooed

Good grief !


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Re: How many of you [Re: larrywaugh] #7203363
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They can in Mississippi too, however they must have a reasonable suspicion that you have violated a game law. If you are caught say poaching they will be searching no paperwork needed. I can't say that I've ever heard of being abused or a problem here.


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Re: How many of you [Re: larrywaugh] #7203364
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States may vary on what legal authority GW’s have. I know In Maryland, The Natural Resource Police (NRP) are the oldest State Police Force Agency in the State and have full authority to enforce ALL State Laws. They have full authority to search you, your house, or any building having probable cause or exigent circumstance that may exist. If other items are discovered in plain view that were not initially the probable cause, then they would come under items “incident to arrest” and generally, if time permits, a search and seizure warrant would be gained. Otherwise, as the old saying goes, “you don’t go looking for elephant in a desk drawer”.

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Re: How many of you [Re: larrywaugh] #7203371
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Re: How many of you [Re: Bruce T] #7203388
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Originally Posted by Bruce T
Originally Posted by larrywaugh
How is it that a warden can enter your home when a cop can't?

They can't

Wrong....depends on the State


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Re: How many of you [Re: larrywaugh] #7203393
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I don't think it's legal in WI without a warrant. For you that say they can, please post a fact.


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Re: How many of you [Re: larrywaugh] #7203395
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What state doesnt ensure its officers follow the 4th Amendment of the US Constitution?

Big payout of taxpayer $$ gonna happen in that state if there is one....


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Re: How many of you [Re: walleyed] #7203412
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Originally Posted by walleyed
Originally Posted by Boco
That says unreasonable searches-reasonable searches are OK then.In other words they cant search without a reason.If they see something then they have a reason.
A search can be reasonable without a warrant.



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You should know by now I'm seldom wrong walleyed-quit making a fool of yourself.
Now go back and read what the game warden affirmed.

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Re: How many of you [Re: larrywaugh] #7203425
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That is what I'm trying to figure out swamp wolf. In kansas our regulations clearly stated ithat it is illegal to deny a warden access to any place used to process or store wildlife. Are you saying this is untrue? In the last few years that has disappeared from our regulations.


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Re: How many of you [Re: larrywaugh] #7203432
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To those who say they have nothing to hide. I guess if the cops show up at your door asking if they can look and see if you have any illegal guns or magazines you'll invite them in and open up the gun safe?


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Re: How many of you [Re: larrywaugh] #7203437
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Originally Posted by larrywaugh
That is what I'm trying to figure out swamp wolf. In kansas our regulations clearly stated ithat it is illegal to deny a warden access to any place used to process or store wildlife. Are you saying this is untrue? In the last few years that has disappeared from our regulations.

Im gonna assume that KS regulation refers to a business that handles wildlife. If that is so, the fact that it is a commercial business handling wildlife usually requires that business to comply with inspections. Here in Ga, our commercial wildlife permits have that stipulation as a condition of the permit.

For instance, we recently conducted inspections of several local seafood markets (during open business hours.) We waited until there were minimal/no customers inside before we requested the inspections. The owners understood the inspections and were fully compliant.

KS may have removed that reg's wording due to the fact that wildlife can be processed inside homes, non-commercially....where consent or a warrant would be needed in most every case.

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