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Re: This will probably be axed [Re: cowboy2005] #7210858
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Re: This will probably be axed [Re: Huntall76] #7210864
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Originally Posted by Huntall76
Why did God have to just pick Moses to give everyone the ten commandments? Being all powerful and being all places all the time couldn't he have just told every human in person so to speak at the same time? I mean why leave something so important to one person to spread to the whole of humanity? Doesn't seem logical or efficient. If God really wanted all his children to know the word of God why would he only tell a few and hope it gets to a small indigenous tribe in Africa before they die not knowing the lord and are dammed for all eternity.

I would love to hear a educated answer other than that's his plan or he works in mysterious ways.



First place I don't think or have been taught that if a tribe in Africa has not heard the Word they will fry at judgement. How just would God be if they hadn't heard the Word and He still sent them to fry? Some of my other Baptist friends would tell me its my mission to sow the Word and if I don't reach people they will go to that bad place and it will be my fault for sins of omission. I don't believe everything my friends tell me, lol.

The word in Romans 2 says, 12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

I think it was James that had a thread way back where this was covered pretty good.

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Re: This will probably be axed [Re: cowboy2005] #7210868
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If we have become Spirit filled then we need to follow the Spirit, if we continue to just follow our natural conscience then if our parents were cannibals, since our natural conscience is set at a very young age then we might not see anything wrong with killing and eating our friends. But if we knew Spiritually better and did it would leave a bad mark !

Re: This will probably be axed [Re: cowboy2005] #7210899
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All I'm asking is that if God can do anything, because he is God , and he wanted all people to follow and obey/love him , with all he could do with making all Planets/galaxies the universe and all things why would he not go to each person and command such things of man, surely he should and could have came to each individual in a blink of an eye and spoke to all his children and/or produced a book of his own making for them to be aware of his greatness instead of relying on mortal man to believe other mortal men that what they say is true. It only makes sense that he wouldn't rely on flawed human beings to deliver such important information when he could have done this with ease, as is nothing beyond his power. I don't know about any of you but I don't trust anyone more than myself when it comes to the well being of my children.

There is nothing wrong with you if you don't know the answer to my question. I don't know the answer or I wouldn't have ask it.

Re: This will probably be axed [Re: Huntall76] #7210906
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Originally Posted by Huntall76


Basically, do you need Moses to know right from wrong...... No my mom taught me those things......

......I just send a group text and they get the information directly from me at the same time and I'm not all powerful all knowing and everywhere all the time.... I just have a cell phone.


First you ask why God used Moses, then you say your mother taught you right from wrong, Then you fuss because God doesn't appear right before you and miraculously "enlighten" you.

I guess you can't make God play by your rules.


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Re: This will probably be axed [Re: cowboy2005] #7210909
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Re: This will probably be axed [Re: cowboy2005] #7210914
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Re: This will probably be axed [Re: cowboy2005] #7210973
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Why do Christians put Christmas trees in their homes and decorate them, why do Christians hang stockings? Most of the Christmas holiday is based around pagan traditions

Re: This will probably be axed [Re: cowboy2005] #7210978
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Indoctrination................
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Re: This will probably be axed [Re: Trapper7] #7210989
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True. But, I don't know of any Christian who kills you for not being a Christian.[/quote]

You don’t “know any” but you’re wrong. It happens in this world place called Africa. Muslims kill Christians there too. Christians have killed a lot of Christians too for being the wrong Christian. (See Catholic vs Protestant amongst others)
Religions, they cry persecution while persecuting , it’s silly.

Re: This will probably be axed [Re: cowboy2005] #7210991
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Originally Posted by Huntall76
All I'm asking is that if God can do anything, because he is God , and he wanted all people to follow and obey/love him , with all he could do with making all Planets/galaxies the universe and all things why would he not go to each person and command such things of man, surely he should and could have came to each individual in a blink of an eye and spoke to all his children and/or produced a book of his own making for them to be aware of his greatness instead of relying on mortal man to believe other mortal men that what they say is true. It only makes sense that he wouldn't rely on flawed human beings to deliver such important information when he could have done this with ease, as is nothing beyond his power. I don't know about any of you but I don't trust anyone more than myself when it comes to the well being of my children.

There is nothing wrong with you if you don't know the answer to my question. I don't know the answer or I wouldn't have ask it.

IMOH, I don't think you will accept or agree with any answer given here on TMan so, try this: Proverbs 3:5-6 (KJV) - “Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.”[b][/b]


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Re: This will probably be axed [Re: Huntall76] #7211011
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Originally Posted by Huntall76
All I'm asking is that if God can do anything, because he is God , and he wanted all people to follow and obey/love him , with all he could do with making all Planets/galaxies the universe and all things why would he not go to each person and command such things of man, surely he should and could have came to each individual in a blink of an eye and spoke to all his children and/or produced a book of his own making for them to be aware of his greatness instead of relying on mortal man to believe other mortal men that what they say is true. It only makes sense that he wouldn't rely on flawed human beings to deliver such important information when he could have done this with ease, as is nothing beyond his power. I don't know about any of you but I don't trust anyone more than myself when it comes to the well being of my children.

There is nothing wrong with you if you don't know the answer to my question. I don't know the answer or I wouldn't have ask it.


The Cross was not something done in a hidden corner of the world. It was done on a hill for the whole world to see.

Re: This will probably be axed [Re: Huntall76] #7211023
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Originally Posted by Huntall76
Why did God have to just pick Moses to give everyone the ten commandments? Being all powerful and being all places all the time couldn't he have just told every human in person so to speak at the same time? I mean why leave something so important to one person to spread to the whole of humanity? Doesn't seem logical or efficient. If God really wanted all his children to know the word of God why would he only tell a few and hope it gets to a small indigenous tribe in Africa before they die not knowing the lord and are dammed for all eternity.

I would love to hear a educated answer other than that's his plan or he works in mysterious ways.


First off he did tell everyone enough for them to find him if they seek him.

"For from the creation of the world the invisible things of Him are clearly seen, being understood through the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse."

Second, physically demonstrated his love by DYING wasn't good enough, but a voice in your head would convince you? Doubtful!


Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
Re: This will probably be axed [Re: cowboy2005] #7211024
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I don't doubt for a second that a guy called Jesus, the worlds first hippie, was publicly executed by roman soldiers. Its all the fairytales created a couple centuries later I have trouble with.


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Re: This will probably be axed [Re: danny clifton] #7211039
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
I don't doubt for a second that a guy called Jesus, the worlds first hippie, was publicly executed by roman soldiers. Its all the fairytales created a couple centuries later I have trouble with.


God is not late by a couple centuries, but is way ahead of mankind. Sure hope you don't get caught in a bad April fools joke for being late to see, Danny.

Re: This will probably be axed [Re: cowboy2005] #7211045
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Yep, that makes sense too. Eternal torture for suspecting religion was invented by humans so the inventers could gain.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: This will probably be axed [Re: RM trapper] #7211050
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Originally Posted by RM trapper
Never been to a Catholic Church but every Christian or Baptist Church I've been in only took up offering once on Sunday morning and I have never been asked how much I make. I think the church you speak of canvasback is definitely in the minority

Exactly.


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Re: This will probably be axed [Re: cowboy2005] #7211071
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Yano, several people have mentioned in this conversation and others that they prayed to God and he never answered. I heard a song the other day and the one line that stuck with me was "praying to a God we dont believe in, so the question i ask is where the f*** is your God now?" And its a very good line, because if you were God would you answer the prayer of someone who doesn't believe in you? No I dont think you would, you may try to tell me you would but I dont think you would.
You prayed once and didn't get the answer you wanted, now God doesn't exist. That makes total sense, the other thing is that people say they can't make sense of the Bible, they can't rationalize it. But I can't rationalize evolution or anything along those lines. And I definitely cant rationalize that we are just here with no purpose, that we are born than die and thats it. that doesn't make any sense. So stop saying the Bible and God aren't real because you don't understand it

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Re: This will probably be axed [Re: cowboy2005] #7211101
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Seems like a lot of hostility over a simple question.

When a world leader wants to convey a message to the masses does he go outside and find a man and tell him he needs to wear a mask and to go out among the people and tell them what they need to do? No , he gets on the television and tells the vast majority all at once.

For those of you that get bent out of shape over a question you don't have a good answer to, doesn't portray a loving religion very well.

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I am a U.S. citizen by birth. I served in the military. I WILL say anything I want without getting your permission first, or anyone else's.


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