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Re: What was the purpose of teeth on the old traps [Re: REVOLT] #7215330
03/14/21 11:09 AM
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The trap selected for use in MOST of the major wolf capture and release programs were #14 Newhouse with teeth or similar modern traps made to copy the #14 Newhouse. A single tooth puncture is easily treated and much less damaging than a severely beat up leg, foot or shoulder when the ultimate objective is to release the healthiest animal possible.

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Re: What was the purpose of teeth on the old traps [Re: REVOLT] #7215335
03/14/21 11:15 AM
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As a young trapper Ethan your number one priority should be to seek to understand and apply humane trapping practices regardless of what you hear and read here and elsewhere. We would all like trapping and fur management to continue for decades to come.

Re: What was the purpose of teeth on the old traps [Re: REVOLT] #7215366
03/14/21 11:46 AM
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Apparently Ethan your not old enough to post your thoughts on here But i'm glad you're learning


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Re: What was the purpose of teeth on the old traps [Re: Ethan1234] #7215384
03/14/21 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Ethan1234
Thats crazy but bet you wouldnt be releasing any wolves from ones with teeth!
Or am i wrong?

Yep you're wrong


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Re: What was the purpose of teeth on the old traps [Re: REVOLT] #7215394
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Re: What was the purpose of teeth on the old traps [Re: REVOLT] #7215396
03/14/21 12:34 PM
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Kids now days..can't teach em anything if they alredy know everything

Re: What was the purpose of teeth on the old traps [Re: danny clifton] #7215402
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Wanna be, its simple mechanics. An animals foot is thick enough that the trap jaws do not come completely closed with a foot between them. They do however come closer together than non offset. What happens with the offset is the levers come up higher. That gives them a mechanical advantage. More leverage. The disadvantage is when animals like coons step on them. A coons front foot is thin. The jaws close completely. That gap allows the thin front foot of a coon to pop right out.

I’ve read that too, as has Ethan I’m sure. I was giving my experiences with offset vs regular jaws. I don't trap wolves, mountain lions, or bears. The biggest predator I have to worry about is coyotes. I don’t lose many of those if any throughout a trapping season. I have yet to have any animal escape (from a pullout by definition) a perfectly functional trap whether it be offset or regular jaw. I have had foot damage with offsets and not regular jaws. Coons and grey fox losses are chew outs and nothing to do with the trap other than maybe being too large.

Re: What was the purpose of teeth on the old traps [Re: REVOLT] #7215413
03/14/21 12:57 PM
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My 2 cent is offset laminate allow blood flow to the foot keeping it alive so the animal doesn't fight he trap as hard. (I run 3/8 offset not 1/4 though) Regular jaws cut the circulation off and the foot below the traps freezes, no feeling to the foot and the animal fights hards which to me is less than ideal for the respect of the animal. Coyotes cats etc not coons of course. The teeth would seem to me to cause increase in broken bones if the tooth hit the bone just right. If not just soft tissue damage between the metacarpals. I would think that is high enough that the foot would heal in a month or two for catch and release.

Re: What was the purpose of teeth on the old traps [Re: REVOLT] #7215428
03/14/21 01:05 PM
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Amazing the lack of understanding of mechanics in this thread, yet the emotional side is driven quite hard, this is the kind of thread that always ends up being used against fur harvesters, due to the lack of understanding of use !


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Re: What was the purpose of teeth on the old traps [Re: REVOLT] #7215430
03/14/21 01:06 PM
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Ethan, you must not have read everything. The traps used in wolf relocation projects HAD TEETH! There was less foot/shoulder trauma to wolves caught with toothed traps!!


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Re: What was the purpose of teeth on the old traps [Re: REVOLT] #7215432
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Cohunt, did you ever use the #48 Newhouse. They were my go to trap for beaver and otter for a long time.


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Re: What was the purpose of teeth on the old traps [Re: REVOLT] #7215436
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This is kind off topic but caught a coon in a new z-trap in town and the animal control got to it before i did ( theirs a bit of story behind this) but they took it alive removed the trap and x-rayed the front foot to find out most the toes were fractured or broken so they had to euthanize it. (I had to explain myself in person to them afterwards) I was thinking the cuff style traps were a little more friendly on the foot but than i released thier is a square stock welding on both sides of the spring to create sort of a binding force on the foot.

Re: What was the purpose of teeth on the old traps [Re: wadask] #7215442
03/14/21 01:17 PM
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Ive released stuff from the coon cuffs but never noticed broke toes


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Re: What was the purpose of teeth on the old traps [Re: REVOLT] #7215444
03/14/21 01:20 PM
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Dr. David Mech is responsible for many states having wolves again. He trapped them in Minnesota and they were relocated in several states
His trap of choice--#14 jump,and that That ethan is a toothed trap.
Tom


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Re: What was the purpose of teeth on the old traps [Re: Bogmaster] #7215449
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I know its a foothold trap but wouldnt their feet be injured and make it hard for them to walk


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Re: What was the purpose of teeth on the old traps [Re: REVOLT] #7215451
03/14/21 01:22 PM
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Ok i understand they wouldnt pull much with traps that have teeth but would the teeth cause infections in their feet


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Re: What was the purpose of teeth on the old traps [Re: REVOLT] #7215452
03/14/21 01:25 PM
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LOL--Doesn't seem to be the case as the wolf population continues to climb,and they have been taken off the endangered list.
Tom


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Re: What was the purpose of teeth on the old traps [Re: REVOLT] #7215454
03/14/21 01:26 PM
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Nessmuck you could trap a bear with that trap


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Re: What was the purpose of teeth on the old traps [Re: REVOLT] #7215458
03/14/21 01:36 PM
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Kid you'd need to use an x-ray to seem. Clearly no knowledge with the medical world.

Re: What was the purpose of teeth on the old traps [Re: Ethan1234] #7215459
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This is the style of teeth people are talking about, they are not sharp and are of a decent sized diameter, they keep the feet from sliding around in the jaws. They don't poke holes through the hide even most of the time, just dent it in.

Would you want wide smooth jaw faces on your pliers or vices or something to give you grip?

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