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Re: What was the purpose of teeth on the old traps [Re: Ethan1234] #7215460
03/14/21 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Ethan1234
Nessmuck you could trap a bear with that trap

A bear would take one small bite and turn that trap into scrap metal!


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Re: What was the purpose of teeth on the old traps [Re: REVOLT] #7215465
03/14/21 01:41 PM
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Ok i didnt know that the teeth were big and round and yeah i dont have experince in medical field im 15 and ive never owned a trap with teeth cause there illegal in my state and thnks ~ADC~ for the info on traps with teeth


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Re: What was the purpose of teeth on the old traps [Re: REVOLT] #7215472
03/14/21 01:45 PM
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You should also notice in that picture of the #14 jump---the teeth are spaced so that the teeth on one jaw do not meet with the teeth on the other jaw.
Tom


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Re: What was the purpose of teeth on the old traps [Re: wadask] #7215473
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Originally Posted by wadask
My 2 cent is offset laminate allow blood flow to the foot keeping it alive so the animal doesn't fight he trap as hard. (I run 3/8 offset not 1/4 though) Regular jaws cut the circulation off and the foot below the traps freezes, no feeling to the foot and the animal fights hards which to me is less than ideal for the respect of the animal. Coyotes cats etc not coons of course. The teeth would seem to me to cause increase in broken bones if the tooth hit the bone just right. If not just soft tissue damage between the metacarpals. I would think that is high enough that the foot would heal in a month or two for catch and release.



I disagree on Offsets allowing the flow of blood to the foot. After several minutes the foot begins to swell and all circulation Is shut off to the trapped foot. That's why you don't trap In freezing conditions when trapping live market critters. If there was circulation the foot wouldn't freeze.

We either stopped trapping or checked twice a day to make sure we didn't end up with frozen feet.


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Re: What was the purpose of teeth on the old traps [Re: Ethan1234] #7215476
03/14/21 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Ethan1234
Ok i didnt know that the teeth were big and round and yeah i dont have experince in medical field im 15 and ive never owned a trap with teeth cause there illegal in my state and thnks ~ADC~ for the info on traps with teeth

Its not really your fault. You have been subtlety trained your whole life by anti's. Just google "trap" first image that comes up...

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Re: What was the purpose of teeth on the old traps [Re: REVOLT] #7215478
03/14/21 01:52 PM
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I was just stating that it in general not just for live market animals. And i did fail to mention the cold weather part I just assumed it my bad thanks for the correction.

Re: What was the purpose of teeth on the old traps [Re: The Beav] #7215495
03/14/21 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by The Beav
Originally Posted by wadask
My 2 cent is offset laminate allow blood flow to the foot keeping it alive so the animal doesn't fight he trap as hard. (I run 3/8 offset not 1/4 though) Regular jaws cut the circulation off and the foot below the traps freezes, no feeling to the foot and the animal fights hards which to me is less than ideal for the respect of the animal. Coyotes cats etc not coons of course. The teeth would seem to me to cause increase in broken bones if the tooth hit the bone just right. If not just soft tissue damage between the metacarpals. I would think that is high enough that the foot would heal in a month or two for catch and release.



I disagree on Offsets allowing the flow of blood to the foot. After several minutes the foot begins to swell and all circulation Is shut off to the trapped foot. That's why you don't trap In freezing conditions when trapping live market critters. If there was circulation the foot wouldn't freeze.

We either stopped trapping or checked twice a day to make sure we didn't end up with frozen feet.


Exactly why the old bear trappers had teeth on their traps. The teeth allowed the swelling to drain and extended checks were possible without twist outs.

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Re: What was the purpose of teeth on the old traps [Re: Ethan1234] #7215505
03/14/21 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Ethan1234
Ok i understand they wouldnt pull much with traps that have teeth but would the teeth cause infections in their feet


I actually asked a surgeon about this once. He confirmed that a "puncture" heals better than a laceration.

Mike


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Re: What was the purpose of teeth on the old traps [Re: REVOLT] #7215509
03/14/21 02:43 PM
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True enough eb which is why our f&g use a modified tooth for wolf studies and relocation (if they don't disperse naturally of course) lpc traps are what i've seen
Bears were varmints around here till the 50's i believe when they got game animal designation and protection the half doz.or so i've handled around here had large teeth and offset jaws more so for ease of casting them IMO


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Re: What was the purpose of teeth on the old traps [Re: newhouse114] #7215511
03/14/21 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by newhouse114
Ethan, you must not have read everything. The traps used in wolf relocation projects HAD TEETH! There was less foot/shoulder trauma to wolves caught with toothed traps!!
The idea behind using traps with teeth for the 1996 wolf relocation project (and this was proven to be true) small sharper teeth broke the skin on the foot allowing edema to escape and not allow the foot to swell, swelling and edema are the main cause of foot damage. Traps equipped with this feature and correctly spaced offset jaws also kept the foot from sawing back and forth as an animal does when first caught in a trap, allowing for very little foot damage. Just hoping to add further clarification to some prior good posts.

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Re: What was the purpose of teeth on the old traps [Re: REVOLT] #7215519
03/14/21 02:56 PM
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Unlike many other foothold traps,traps with teeth could not pass the international humane trapping standard-why they are illegal in jurisdictions which follow the AIHTS.

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Re: What was the purpose of teeth on the old traps [Re: Boco] #7215522
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Originally Posted by Boco
Unlike many other foothold traps,traps with teeth could not pass the international humane trapping standard-why they are illegal in jurisdictions which follow the AIHTS.


Just wondering, what trap do they have approved for bear?

Re: What was the purpose of teeth on the old traps [Re: REVOLT] #7215526
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Bears are not an AIHTS species Footsnares and cages legal in Ontario.Not sure in other provinces.
Cages the best choice as some females with cubs have to be released.

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Re: What was the purpose of teeth on the old traps [Re: SNIPERBBB] #7215530
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Originally Posted by SNIPERB🦝
Helped keep the foot from sliding. Traps weren't quite the the quality of today's traps.

I would take some issue with that. Newhouse traps were some of the best quality traps ever made, maybe with the exception of their dog/pan release set up.
The number 48 Newhouse, closed jaws with teerh is probably the best otter and beaver foothold ever made. A hind foot catch on the slippery hind foot of a beaver was sure to result in a beaver catch.


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Re: What was the purpose of teeth on the old traps [Re: Ethan1234] #7215532
03/14/21 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Ethan1234
Ive used offset traps before the only time they dont hold as good is when you get toe catches and the levers come up higher on an offset making thwm lock up higher makes it way harder for an animal to escape as long as you got a good catch

Cool your jets lil bro, read a lil more talk a lil less. No need to respond to or believe every thing you read in here.

Re: What was the purpose of teeth on the old traps [Re: REVOLT] #7215561
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In regards to the toothed traps in research

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Re: What was the purpose of teeth on the old traps [Re: ~ADC~] #7215633
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Originally Posted by ~ADC~
Originally Posted by Ethan1234
Ok i didnt know that the teeth were big and round and yeah i dont have experince in medical field im 15 and ive never owned a trap with teeth cause there illegal in my state and thnks ~ADC~ for the info on traps with teeth

Its not really your fault. You have been subtlety trained your whole life by anti's. Just google "trap" first image that comes up...

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I humbly disagree. He's been posting on topics that he has little to no experience with. The other day he posted on a thread asking about the most foot friendly fox trap that will regularly hold a coyote. He recommended three traps and if I remember correctly he has only caught 1 fox and no coyotes thus far.

Some friendly advice Ethan
You started out not being honest about your age and your job but because of your age you were given some leeway. As a beginner Wolfy has given you good advise above. Until you have more experience, talk less and listen more. Repeating information you read on the internet and having no experience yourself you could accidentally come across in the wrong light.


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Re: What was the purpose of teeth on the old traps [Re: REVOLT] #7215650
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Iam smelling a “Rat” amongst the ranks here......


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Re: What was the purpose of teeth on the old traps [Re: Nessmuck] #7215656
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Originally Posted by Nessmuck
Iam smelling a “Rat” amongst the ranks here......


Nah, just a kid Nessy. They don’t know what they don’t know.


Who is John Galt?

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Re: What was the purpose of teeth on the old traps [Re: Yes sir] #7215670
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Originally Posted by Yes sir
Originally Posted by ~ADC~

Its not really your fault. You have been subtlety trained your whole life by anti's. Just google "trap" first image that comes up...

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I humbly disagree. He's been posting on topics that he has little to no experience with. The other day he posted on a thread asking about the most foot friendly fox trap that will regularly hold a coyote. He recommended three traps and if I remember correctly he has only caught 1 fox and no coyotes thus far.

Some friendly advice Ethan
You started out not being honest about your age and your job but because of your age you were given some leeway. As a beginner Wolfy has given you good advise above. Until you have more experience, talk less and listen more. Repeating information you read on the internet and having no experience yourself you could accidentally come across in the wrong light.



I don't see that as disagreeing with me. What I meant was he's bound to think the worst when he hears "traps with teeth" based upon what the youth of today is fed from movies and the like.

I agree he's been posting replies to threads based upon what he's read on here or seen on youtube and not through any on the line experience, that is quite prevalent though and he's not alone. Even one of the guys admonishing him is pretty guilty of it and was basically him only a year or two ago.

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