Re: Pepper spray or pistols for bear attacks
[Re: Grandpa Trapper]
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03/14/21 07:59 PM
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Gulo
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Depends on the situation. Bears are pretty easy to read. If it's an aggressive bear, pistol works for me. On the other hand, I've been in situations with both blacks and grizzlies where the "charge" was a bluff or they were curious. In those situations, pepper spray is okay. With that said, in bear country, I don't carry pepper spray. I'm still around; there are a few bears that aren't.
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Re: Pepper spray or pistols for bear attacks
[Re: Grandpa Trapper]
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03/14/21 08:53 PM
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cmcf
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385gr Remington coreloct HP @ 1700fps. never had to shoot a bear in defense but the way that load slammed a bull elk to the ground makes me comfortable. Over 21” penetration including 8” of spine pulverized.
“The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined” B. Disraeli
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Re: Pepper spray or pistols for bear attacks
[Re: cmcf]
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03/14/21 09:09 PM
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Osky
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Just one of those things I do not screw around with. 44magnum S&W 4” mountain gun. It does threat assessment and problem termination without fail.
Osky
"A womans heart is the hardest rock the Almighty has put on this earth, and I can find no sign on it" Jabless in Minnesota www.SureDockusa.com
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Re: Pepper spray or pistols for bear attacks
[Re: Grandpa Trapper]
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03/14/21 09:33 PM
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GROUSEWIT
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If you were carrying both on you, which would you use first? Let’s keep long guns out of it. It would depend on the situation. If its not charging probably spray first . If coming fast second!!
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Re: Pepper spray or pistols for bear attacks
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03/14/21 09:37 PM
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Only time bear spray would be nice is if a buddy is getting chewed on. It'd be tough if you killed somebody trying to save them.
10mm Glock 29 for me. X2 mine is a CZ 10mm Only ever had to deal with one brown bear and that was handled with a Ithaca 12g loaded with slugs and that bear still ended up at our feet If you have never been in that situation it will surprise and shock you just how fast and agile a brown or grizzly is Not to mention downright scary
�Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites. Moderation is for monks.� ― Robert A. Heinlein
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Re: Pepper spray or pistols for bear attacks
[Re: Grandpa Trapper]
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03/14/21 09:38 PM
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Like Gulo said, spray is a deterrent for a bear that's curious or bluffing, just like shouting. A bear that's decided to kill you isn't going to be deterred. I still carry spray sometimes, mostly to hand to tourist friends & family to make them feel better. I wouldn't be without a gun in bear woods though.
Edit: I should add that around here, killing a self-defense bear is really no more than an inconvenience, since I have to skin and transport an animal I wasn't planning to. There are more than enough bears, and one without fear of humans is better off dead.
Last edited by KenaiKid; 03/14/21 10:00 PM.
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Re: Pepper spray or pistols for bear attacks
[Re: Grandpa Trapper]
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03/14/21 10:17 PM
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Gene Dziza
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[quote=Grandpa Trapper]If you were carrying both on you, which would you use first? Let’s keep long guns out of it. [/quot I am around grizzlies quite a bit. I carry both. I say and like to think spray first but in the event of an explosive charge, instinct may cause a different reaction. In many cases, I think a bear may get you before you can deploy spray and if you get hit with a gun drawn, the gun is likely to go flying. So my theory is spray first and if it gets me on the ground, the gun comes out of my chest holster.
So far, I've only accidentally deployed spray on myself. I was packing a boned-out load of meat and I had a can of spray in my pants pocket and it didn't have a trigger guard on it. Stupid thing to do. I stopped to rest and filter some water and let the pack go off one shoulder and let it swing around to catch it on my thigh. When I did, I heard the spray go off. I kind of opened my pocket and looked into it. Some vapor floated up and I immediately went into a coughing, choking, hacking fit. I couldn't believe how it incapacitated me. Well soon after, I realized that some of the spray soaked through my gortex and lit my privates on fire. I had to strip down and plunge my groin into a creek. The fire went out but a ways down the drainage it started coming back. Back into the creek I went. The relief was immediate but temporary. Three or four times I repeated this process as I made my way down the drainage to my truck. I remember thinking I'd rather shoot myself through the foot with a .44 than take a load of that spray to the groin. I finally made it back to my truck and I thought it was over and I was feeling pretty good. About 10 miles down the highway, the searing pain was back. It seemed forever before I finally came to a creek. I jumped from the truck and stumbled under the bridge to sit down n the creek and was instantly relieved. That ended it and the burning pain never came back. But when I went back the next day for another load, I carried a shotgun. Lol. Darn spray nearly killed my boys. It was like taking a hot brand down there.
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Re: Pepper spray or pistols for bear attacks
[Re: Grandpa Trapper]
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03/14/21 10:29 PM
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For those of you that carry a.44mag. Check out the Hornady .430” 265gr. Flat nosed bullet. It was designed for the 444 Marlin and is a bit tougher than most pistol bullets. Should provide better penetration to the vitals and breaking down bone. Handloads only far as I know. As I said above I’ve never had to kill a bear in self defense. It is just a bit to long for the short cylinder 44s like the Tarus Tracker. Fits fine in the Super Black Hawks and Red Hawks. Don’t know about the 29/629s as I’ve never owned one.
“The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined” B. Disraeli
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Re: Pepper spray or pistols for bear attacks
[Re: Gene Dziza]
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03/14/21 10:38 PM
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Outlaw99
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[quote=Grandpa Trapper]If you were carrying both on you, which would you use first? Let’s keep long guns out of it. [/quot I am around grizzlies quite a bit. I carry both. I say and like to think spray first but in the event of an explosive charge, instinct may cause a different reaction. In many cases, I think a bear may get you before you can deploy spray and if you get hit with a gun drawn, the gun is likely to go flying. So my theory is spray first and if it gets me on the ground, the gun comes out of my chest holster.
So far, I've only accidentally deployed spray on myself. I was packing a boned-out load of meat and I had a can of spray in my pants pocket and it didn't have a trigger guard on it. Stupid thing to do. I stopped to rest and filter some water and let the pack go off one shoulder and let it swing around to catch it on my thigh. When I did, I heard the spray go off. I kind of opened my pocket and looked into it. Some vapor floated up and I immediately went into a coughing, choking, hacking fit. I couldn't believe how it incapacitated me. Well soon after, I realized that some of the spray soaked through my gortex and lit my privates on fire. I had to strip down and plunge my groin into a creek. The fire went out but a ways down the drainage it started coming back. Back into the creek I went. The relief was immediate but temporary. Three or four times I repeated this process as I made my way down the drainage to my truck. I remember thinking I'd rather shoot myself through the foot with a .44 than take a load of that spray to the groin. I finally made it back to my truck and I thought it was over and I was feeling pretty good. About 10 miles down the highway, the searing pain was back. It seemed forever before I finally came to a creek. I jumped from the truck and stumbled under the bridge to sit down n the creek and was instantly relieved. That ended it and the burning pain never came back. But when I went back the next day for another load, I carried a shotgun. Lol. Darn spray nearly killed my boys. It was like taking a hot brand down there. Post of the year!!!! Thank you; made my night LOL!!!
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