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Re: Pepper spray or pistols for bear attacks [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7216117
03/14/21 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Grandpa Trapper
If you were carrying both on you, which would you use first? Let’s keep long guns out of it.


if I could I would use the spray first and avoid paper work

but I would spray early and often

the way I see it , you want to have sprayed before you start shooting to avoid concerns that you didn't give fair warning.

nothing saying you can't spray weak hand, gun strong hand if the spray works great holster if the spray isn't working it has been deployed. toss it and get both hands on the gun so you can make lots of holes.


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Re: Pepper spray or pistols for bear attacks [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7216121
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On black bears the spray every time. On brown bears the gun is pulled

Re: Pepper spray or pistols for bear attacks [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7216171
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Never dealt with bears... No firsthand knowledge. So I took a look at YouTube and bear charges...

Gotta say I'm going with the pistol... The most powerful one I can accurately handle.

But I saw a few videos where a blast of bear spray certainly would have sufficed.

Mike


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Re: Pepper spray or pistols for bear attacks [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7216373
03/15/21 09:45 AM
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I hear a mule will run a grizzly off

Re: Pepper spray or pistols for bear attacks [Re: Tactical.20] #7216376
03/15/21 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Tactical.20
I hear a mule will run a grizzly off


Way less convenient then spray and handguns.

Re: Pepper spray or pistols for bear attacks [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7216385
03/15/21 09:58 AM
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How well does bear spray work in below freezing temps ? I carry a BFR 45-70 on a chest holster.

Re: Pepper spray or pistols for bear attacks [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7216398
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I've been forced to kill a few bears in DLP situations over the years. Both blacks and grizzlies. Never carried bear spray. I know from others I respect that it works in some situations. "some situations" is the reason I dont use it. Bears have an uncanny sense of smell, and can be very aggressive if you surprise them at close range. In that scenario you will almost always be downwind of them. Not a good situation since the wind can cause you problems with the spray. Tents are another place bear spray is useless. I also believe that an enraged bear would be hard to stop with spray. I know one fellow who although he escaped being mauled, had a very close call when he realized his bear spray was frozen and wouldnt work.

I agree with Gulo to a point...bears CAN be easy to read. They are also one of the most unpredictable animals on the planet. Especially interior grizzlies. I've seen them go from mildly curious to going to kill you in the span of a few seconds. When I was reporting the last grizzly I had to kill to the conservation officers, one of the questions I was asked was if the bear had his ears back and his mouth open. Apparently thats a sign they are serious. Maybe. The fact is it happens so fast you will be to busy to notice things like that.

One of my pet peeves is some of the outdoor writers who push bear spray like its the greatest thing since sliced bread, when they have never used it. Canadian writer TJ Swanky is one such writer. What he doesnt tell readers is that one of the bear spray companies sponsors his TV show.

My personal rule is to never let any bear get inside 30-yards or so. I am confident that I can stop them outside that distance. Inside 30-yards is to risky. The bear dies if it crosses the 30-yard line.

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Re: Pepper spray or pistols for bear attacks [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7216408
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I live in bear country and where they are protected and have no fear of people for the most part. I have been charged twice and one thing for sure it happens fast and both firearms and spray can have issues. With spray wind, temperature and early deployment can be a problem. With a weapon early deployment and accurate shooting are a problem. I dont care what gun you have a bear coming at you at 30 mph with no warning is going to cause stress and not a lot of clean kill area to hit bouncing area under stress is not easy. Best policy in bear country is be looking for bear sign. If you see tracks, smell a kill or are in areas that bears frequent have your spray and gun ready. Spray worked both times I used it but I like a side arm or better yet shotgun with slug and buck shot.

Re: Pepper spray or pistols for bear attacks [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7216418
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No worries here on my side of the country, but a couple things to think about. A gun will shoot into the wind, spray not so much. If neither one stops the attack and you get mauled anyway, you can still use the gun to end your own misery (if you're not empty). More spray to your temple will just make things worse.

Re: Pepper spray or pistols for bear attacks [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7216420
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I just make sure to hunt with a partner that is slower than me. grin

Re: Pepper spray or pistols for bear attacks [Re: Mike in A-town] #7216422
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Originally Posted by Mike in A-town
Never dealt with bears... No firsthand knowledge. So I took a look at YouTube and bear charges...

Gotta say I'm going with the pistol... The most powerful one I can accurately handle.

But I saw a few videos where a blast of bear spray certainly would have sufficed.

Mike


I am with you. I have no clue about bears. I do however know about spraying aerosolized liquids. I would prefer sending lead through the air when dealing with an aggressive anything.


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Re: Pepper spray or pistols for bear attacks [Re: Crit-R-Dun] #7216456
03/15/21 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Crit-R-Dun
Originally Posted by Tactical.20
I hear a mule will run a grizzly off


Way less convenient then spray and handguns.

Well if you use mules to pack in and out then I would figure a mule isn't unhandy

Re: Pepper spray or pistols for bear attacks [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7216476
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Interesting stuff. I've got a backpacking trip planned for the summer of 2022 in northwest wyoming, just east of yellowstone. I plan on carrying spray and a pistol, but Im pretty sure my 40 s&w won't cut it.

Re: Pepper spray or pistols for bear attacks [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7216519
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I believe you are right


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Re: Pepper spray or pistols for bear attacks [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7216540
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I also believe based on energy tables the 10 mm being close to .357 is a little over rated at least for the grizzlies I’ve seen,( about a dozen). Black and grizzly aren’t even in the same ballpark IMO. A little bit of info from a bear biologist in the jellystone ecosystem. In a ten year study he was in charge of the largest bear was a black @ 570 ish Number 2 was a grizzly about 20lb lighter. Go figure. smirk


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Re: Pepper spray or pistols for bear attacks [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7216551
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My wy friend has a 44 Mag for the bears

Re: Pepper spray or pistols for bear attacks [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7216556
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this is a interesting read
https://www.ammoland.com/2018/02/de...e-37-incidents-by-caliber/#axzz6pCY3UUm6

with a fair number of deputies getting called to nuisance bears and them having to shoot more and more they are getting some better stats on the typically duty caliber guns for bear defense and making more holes is definitely better than a really loud miss.

while not instantly fatal in most cases good hits from a 9, 40 or 45 have proven effective in deterring a bear often when the bear has already been sprayed

there are clearly times when the spray just isn't a good option like your pointing into a head wind.

a shot gun or rifle is also a better option for a stop but a handgun and spray are easier to carry and faster to deploy.


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Re: Pepper spray or pistols for bear attacks [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7216590
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The most important part of being armed for defense is that a handgun helps give you the confidence you need to calmly diffuse aggressive predator encounters. Most uncomfortable encounters aren't full blown charges, with "no time to react" they are size ups, stare downs and posturing. Having a firearm will certainly increase your ability to posture.

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Re: Pepper spray or pistols for bear attacks [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7216591
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My wy friend has a 44 Mag for the bears


That would be my choice with a Taurus 44 magnum.


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Re: Pepper spray or pistols for bear attacks [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #7216670
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Loosegoose best just be aware of bear sign and keep your food stored as specified by Regulations and camp away from your food and where you cook I even sleep in cloths just for sleeping not cooking and by all means dont cook in your tent the odors stay long after you cooked bears have the best nose in the woods and prevention is the best defense. As far as shooting bears if you dont kill them in a lot of cases they will be come more aggressive. We have had several mauling's attributed to wounded bears. In several cases the individuals were hit by the bear and dragged away from their gun. I had a friend that survived with a few bites and scratches but ended up with damaged knee and broken ribs from the impact of the hit. He said it was like getting hit by a truck.

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