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Re: Health care workers and the vaccine [Re: yukon254] #7216673
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Can't even call this a vaccine, it does not prevent anything from happening to you, people taking it probably have a higher chance of getting covid if they haven't had it yet, not not a poll just my opinion from reading every where about people with problems having taken it.


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Re: Health care workers and the vaccine [Re: GritGuy] #7216698
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Originally Posted by GritGuy
Can't even call this a vaccine, it does not prevent anything from happening to you, people taking it probably have a higher chance of getting covid if they haven't had it yet, not not a poll just my opinion from reading every where about people with problems having taken it.

I've been saying that for months. It's not a true vaccine like the smallpox vaccine is which prevents you from becoming infected with smallpox. With this so called "vaccine" you can still become infected with covid unlike the smallpox vaccine.


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Re: Health care workers and the vaccine [Re: bowhunter27295] #7216737
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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295


When did asking someone what they think or how they feel about anything become scientific? It is an opinion poll. Kinda. It's like your birthday cake poll. It doesn't hold any scientific significance. It just says you might want to bring a little something else for those who don't like birthday cake. Or you could just ignore it and pretend like the poll has no meaning and tell everyone they have to like birthday cake because you were not able to form a hypothesis, collect and analyze data and come to a conclusion.

And I could give a rat's butt whether a group of medical people's opinion is published in a medical journal. The big thing they did find out is the majority of people in that study stated they did not want to take the experimental vaccine. It ain't rocket science.

An opinion poll in a court of law? Did you actually just type that?

This story has merit when matched with all the other similar stories that have no tie. But I am sure, being a lawyer, you will argue until you think you win. So, argue with us about an opinion poll, counselor. LOL!!!!


You're making my point. You think the opinions of some nurses lends support to your also unscientific opinion that the vaccine(s) is unsafe. Their opinions do not.

I get it, you don't like the vaccine(s) and you are desperate to show that others, without medical degrees and who also have done zero research, agree with you.


Re: Health care workers and the vaccine [Re: yukon254] #7216743
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Science has been politized just like everything else.


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Re: Health care workers and the vaccine [Re: yukon254] #7216744
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My SF is an RN of 30 yrs and says no way in heck, as well as her co-workers and doctors on staff.

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Re: Health care workers and the vaccine [Re: yukon254] #7216764
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Every court case without a guilty plea is an opinion poll. It doesn't mean that you actually committed the crime, it is just the opinion of the judge and/or jury that you did.

Re: Health care workers and the vaccine [Re: yukon254] #7216925
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Dont bother arguing about it-It will soon be made mandatory in the USA because of all the backward people scared of it and refusing to get it-thus harming the well being of everyone else who are doing their part to get to herd immunity and get the economy going again as soon as possible.
Even Trump was smart enough to get it.

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Re: Health care workers and the vaccine [Re: bowhunter27295] #7216955
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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295


Those nurses have much more knowledge than you do. Most have been through the same undergrad as a doctor. You are the one belittling people who have a degree pertinent to this subject. Those nurses and doctors took more science courses than environmental science, believe it or not. For goodness sake they work in the medical field as their JOB and you think their opinion is worth nothing.

And my unscientific opinion is exactly that, lacking in science. You know data? As in insufficient data? If you think there is enough data, then go get the experimental vaccine. it's your choice. In looking at it from a scientific point of view, there is insufficient data for me to make a decision.

But that's not scientific, is it?
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I think nursing is a noble profession but, again, you are reading what you want to read. The story was about nurses and other health professionals: orderlies, phlebotomists, nursing aids, etc.--also noble professions but not medical doctors. And not all nurses have B.S. degrees. But it is in fact true that nurses know more about nursing than me. I don't think nurses would claim they know more about the development and testing of vaccines than the doctors that do so. Do nurses have questions and opinions? Sure. I am however not aware of any nurse that has ever developed a vaccine.

Regardless, you are letting your political leanings cloud your supposed science.

Re: Health care workers and the vaccine [Re: bowhunter27295] #7216968
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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
Originally Posted by Blaine County


This is a much more reasonable approach.

Nurses can have opinions based on what they have seen--the anecdotal evidence. But, those collective opinions do not equate to scientific proof of anything and I am concerned that their hesitancy is based more on what they read on social media instead of what they have actually observed.

I am getting the vaccine for the same reasons as you next week.


No it's not and there isn't a lick of science to that decision either. IT"S YOUR OPINION!!! It just makes you feel better about choosing to get the experimental vaccine next week, as you say.

Be sure you don't have regrets by trying to make others who don't have your opinion look stupid. LOL!!!!!

You are showing your desperation by belittling people not sharing your opinion about your decision that you are unsure of. LOL!!!! Even though they work in the medical field and you are just a lawyer who took environmental science and geology LOL!!!

This is funny!!

In all seriousness, get the experimental vaccine. It's your choice and your OPINION!!! LOL!!!


Your obsession with this is odd. Nonetheless, I agree that it is your choice to not be vaccinated. I really don't care whether you get the shot or don't get the shot. I do wish you would calm down though.

Re: Health care workers and the vaccine [Re: yukon254] #7216972
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I'm polite. You asked several questions.

Re: Health care workers and the vaccine [Re: yukon254] #7216982
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He seems to be trying to justify why he was wrong about most healthcare workers not wanting the vaccine Bowhunter.

Re: Health care workers and the vaccine [Re: yukon254] #7216998
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Ya have to be careful on polls, as in the exact wording.

I've read polls that said most would take the vaccine, around 70% would. That means if they had to take it, they would.

Re: Health care workers and the vaccine [Re: yukon254] #7217057
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What about all the folks that got the virus and recovered...is there any need for the shot? Wouldn’t antibodies trump whatever they’re injecting?

Re: Health care workers and the vaccine [Re: bowhunter27295] #7217062
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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
Originally Posted by Boco
Dont bother arguing about it-It will soon be made mandatory in the USA because of all the backward people scared of it and refusing to get it-thus harming the well being of everyone else who are doing their part to get to herd immunity and get the economy going again as soon as possible.
Even Trump was smart enough to get it.


So is the medical utopia of Canada testing for natural immunity so experimental vaccines will be given to those who don't have immunity?

I can say one thing. With all of the information given on this site, there is no way anyone could not make an informed decision. At least here you get A LOT more information than just CDC, WHO and fauxi on MSLSD, CNN, NBC and all the other lying alphabets.

So even though I have already had covid and have natural immunity, does this still make me an inbred retard (your words) to refuse to get the experimental vaccine?

Do like your fearless ex leader(who also had covid) and get it.
Did you ever get the flu and then get it again?Natural immunity is no good with the flu.You need the shots to cover all the variants.

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Re: Health care workers and the vaccine [Re: yukon254] #7217064
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I already passed on the shot...see no need in it.

Re: Health care workers and the vaccine [Re: yukon254] #7217085
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Everyone needs to make their own decision based on the risks and benefits. Most healthcare workers have the same exposure to covid as the girl at the grocery store. Some, like myself, have a very high exposure by working with a particular patient population or performing airborne inducing procedures. This matters because there is a lot of evidence that the viral load you are exposed to predicts the severity of the disease. So covid acquired by intubating someone is likely going to be worse than being at a bday party with someone with covid. Some healthcare workers might reasonably think the benefits outweigh the risks but others, like a nurse at an outpatient family doctor, might reasonably think the risks outweigh the benefits. I eventually got the vaccine (initially declined due to lack of evidence) but ended up getting it once the near term risk/benefit was clear. I will be the only one in my family to get it but my risks are a lot higher.

Re: Health care workers and the vaccine [Re: Boco] #7217100
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Originally Posted by Boco

Do like your fearless ex leader(who also had covid) and get it.
Did you ever get the flu and then get it again?Natural immunity is no good with the flu.You need the shots to cover all the variants.


Tell that to those that havent ever had the flu...

Re: Health care workers and the vaccine [Re: bowhunter27295] #7217117
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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
Originally Posted by Boco

Do like your fearless ex leader(who also had covid) and get it.
Did you ever get the flu and then get it again?Natural immunity is no good with the flu.You need the shots to cover all the variants.


1. There are A LOT of studies out there from various sources (you pick) who have tested immunity in people who have had covid. Many people have had covid long before the experimental vaccine came out or they were eligible for it. Myself included. Most of the scientific studies show robust immunity in people who have already been exposed. Sadly, you have to go look for those because the MSM will not tell you about those studies and if you try to give them any credence or dare to discuss them, you are a kook or you don't care if grandparents die. Follow the talking heads and fauxi. That is all you need to know.

2. You really need to look af influenza immunity also. There are several strains of influenza and the flu shot only has a 38% efficacy rate. (CDC stats, you look them up)

3. The current experimental vaccine has questionable effectiveness against the South African strain. If you will do your research, you will see a SA strain vaccine is in the works already. There is also anther New York strain with the South African and Brazilian strains combined. Along your line of thinking, we better get all of the genetically modified experimental vaccines as they come or we will die.

You speak very generally and most of what you say is what the media spews. I beg of you to better inform yourself. You will have a much better conversation and make much better informed decisions.

And, like Blaine, I give a crap if you get the shot or not and if you do I will not think you are an inbred retard.


I think you mean "dont give a crap"

Re: Health care workers and the vaccine [Re: yukon254] #7217141
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My wife is a nurse and has decided to not take the vaccine unless they make her. As of right now only about 50% of the healthcare workers have decided to take it. And this is a big healthcare facility. My hunting partner is also a RN and has been doing travel nursing since this all begin and working the covid unit, and he also refused the vaccine. I got a bad case of covid about 5 weeks ago and I had just started getting symptoms when he called wanting to go with me to check traps, I told him that I wasn't feeling well but he said he had been around it so much he wasn't worried about it. Wouldn't you know that he caught it from me. He also said about half the people he works with including doctors have not taken the vaccine. As bad as it got me down and I'm only 38 if I was older I would probably think about getting it

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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
Originally Posted by Boco

Do like your fearless ex leader(who also had covid) and get it.
Did you ever get the flu and then get it again?Natural immunity is no good with the flu.You need the shots to cover all the variants.


1. There are A LOT of studies out there from various sources (you pick) who have tested immunity in people who have had covid. Many people have had covid long before the experimental vaccine came out or they were eligible for it. Myself included. Most of the scientific studies show robust immunity in people who have already been exposed. Sadly, you have to go look for those because the MSM will not tell you about those studies and if you try to give them any credence or dare to discuss them, you are a kook or you don't care if grandparents die. Follow the talking heads and fauxi. That is all you need to know.

2. You really need to look af influenza immunity also. There are several strains of influenza and the flu shot only has a 38% efficacy rate. (CDC stats, you look them up)

3. The current experimental vaccine has questionable effectiveness against the South African strain. If you will do your research, you will see a SA strain vaccine is in the works already. There is also anther New York strain with the South African and Brazilian strains combined. Along your line of thinking, we better get all of the genetically modified experimental vaccines as they come or we will die.

You speak very generally and most of what you say is what the media spews. I beg of you to better inform yourself. You will have a much better conversation and make much better informed decisions.

And, like Blaine, I give a crap if you get the shot or not and if you do I will not think you are an inbred retard.


Sorry,I dont get my info on covid vaccine from google like you.
I had a long discussion with my family doctor who I have known for over 20 years and he explained it very well thank you.
I go for vac my next Monday.The shot we get is over 90%(92% from the data Dan showed me) effective for covid and not affected at all by any variant.

You go get some more tinfoil.

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