That's a daily limit of one box each. I guess you're above following the rules?

That's a daily limit of one box each. I guess you're above following the rules?

My wife has always been against spending money on guns, hunting.
She thinks something could happen and we will need personal protection.
I haven't had a handgun since the .22 damaged my hearing when I was 21, I thought it would be cool to have a revolver like in western movies.
So wife tells me last year that we should get a couple guns for personal protection.
I said well, if you think we should I'll see if we have enough money for one!
If you say so!
I bought a ruger ar from a friend, looks like new.
I wasn't sure if I would get a handgun but she was ok with it.
I decided after looking at different brands I would get the Canik TP9SFX.
I had to wait a whole month for a permit to buy.
My dad is a retired MN deputy, I asked if he had any 9 mm bullets left over, he sold me his service smith and wesson, and I got 100+ hollow points with it!
The hollow points are hard to find.
With some more practice I think I will like the handgun, I got a pair of walker ear muffs, they are great!

Actually that 5.56 bullet destabilizes quickly when it strikes anything thicker than air.

anything that has enough power to be effective has enough power to punch a wall.


bullet construction can make it much less of an issue , hitting the intended target does the best at slowing down bullets.

the "all you need is a shotgun!" is a flawed argument of you handle a shotgun all the time it is natural to you

it is high recoil low capacity

any gun that takes longer to load then it does to empty presents issues

there is a reason a lot of PD's have completely removed the shotgun from squads

some officers had issues with the recoil , made getting through qualification harder. it was more to maintain more ammo to stock.

they are responsible for ever single projectile the send , if that is buck shot a flier a pellet that doesn't hit the intended target can be an issue

7.5 or 8 if your at 10 or 15 feet traveling as a single mass if does better at penetrating to a sufficient depth to render something more than a surface wound , at that point it will still also go through walls also but breaks up typically by the second wall. but when you start getting farther like 30 feet which may well be a possible range in your home the pattern is spread out far enough to not be the single mass and penetration is greatly reduced

not every situation is a 12 or 20 ga with shot best.

not every situation is a 223 or 9mm best

proper ammunition selection in all can help

a ammunition like Hornady Urban T.A.P that seems to use a V-max bullet when it hits a hard surface the bullet fragments reducing secondary issues.

there was a test a while back they put a woman who had just taken a basic firearms safety class having very little experience they asked her if she would run an experiment with them and go up against a professional competitive shotgun shooter. for her part they gave her about an hours training on the indoor range with the AR-15 on the buzzer she would place 10 rounds in the target at around 25 feet , like wise the pro would put 10 rounds from the 12 ga on target at the buzzer.
she beat him in time and all her rounds were good center hits , she had just 1 hours training on the rifle.

inform the pros and cons then let people decide for themselves what is best for them and their situation. there is no one size fits all

anything that has enough power to be effective has enough power to punch a wall.


bullet construction can make it much less of an issue , hitting the intended target does the best at slowing down bullets.

the "all you need is a shotgun!" is a flawed argument of you handle a shotgun all the time it is natural to you

it is high recoil low capacity

any gun that takes longer to load then it does to empty presents issues

there is a reason a lot of PD's have completely removed the shotgun from squads

some officers had issues with the recoil , made getting through qualification harder. it was more to maintain more ammo to stock.

they are responsible for ever single projectile the send , if that is buck shot a flier a pellet that doesn't hit the intended target can be an issue

7.5 or 8 if your at 10 or 15 feet traveling as a single mass if does better at penetrating to a sufficient depth to render something more than a surface wound , at that point it will still also go through walls also but breaks up typically by the second wall. but when you start getting farther like 30 feet which may well be a possible range in your home the pattern is spread out far enough to not be the single mass and penetration is greatly reduced

not every situation is a 12 or 20 ga with shot best.

not every situation is a 223 or 9mm best

proper ammunition selection in all can help

a ammunition like Hornady Urban T.A.P that seems to use a V-max bullet when it hits a hard surface the bullet fragments reducing secondary issues.

there was a test a while back they put a woman who had just taken a basic firearms safety class having very little experience they asked her if she would run an experiment with them and go up against a professional competitive shotgun shooter. for her part they gave her about an hours training on the indoor range with the AR-15 on the buzzer she would place 10 rounds in the target at around 25 feet , like wise the pro would put 10 rounds from the 12 ga on target at the buzzer.
she beat him in time and all her rounds were good center hits , she had just 1 hours training on the rifle.

inform the pros and cons then let people decide for themselves what is best for them and their situation. there is no one size fits all

That's true, I did it once hunting when I was a teenager,
Practice helps a lot, then the 9 would be good in reach if shotgun fails.
I would hate to shoot the 9 mm with out ear protection in an emergency, it would be tough on ear drums

At 31-3200fps splash isn't a problem usually
My t.20 at 4375fps the vmax would sometimes explode on the fur going into a coyote

That's true, I did it once hunting when I was a teenager,
Practice helps a lot, then the 9 would be good in reach if shotgun fails.
I would hate to shoot the 9 mm with out ear protection in an emergency, it would be tough on ear drums

I've also been told that with high stress/multiple assailant scenarios people will often "short shuck" a pump action... I'm a believer in shotguns for home defense but that is another thing to keep in mind.

Mike

You think a shotgun won't blow your ears out inside a building?

Anything over a 22 is VERY loud in an enclosed space. Add to that the concussion from muzzle blast bouncing off ceiling and walls. Shooting a gun in a building is very different than shooting one outside.

In a homedef situation, being alive is a bigger priority than what happens to your hearing.

Pete, have you ever read Unintended Consequences by John Ross?

He breaks down that FBI shootout in pretty much a second-by-second replay... And includes the 2 agents who were "detained" with the waitress at the cafe.

Amazing that more agents didn't die.

Mike