Re: Are we printing money or borrowing again?
[Re: Foxpaw]
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03/21/21 10:21 AM
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Go to YouTube and watch all the videos on the hidden secrets of money. Maloney explains it pretty good.
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Re: Are we printing money or borrowing again?
[Re: Foxpaw]
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03/21/21 10:23 AM
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danny clifton
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the privately owned entity know as the federal reserve bank. They create the money out of thin air then taxpayers pay them interest on the money they created.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Are we printing money or borrowing again?
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03/21/21 10:31 AM
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On a bright note, almost none of the money being used today is being printed. It's all just floating around in cyberspace. At least we aren't killing trees.
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Re: Are we printing money or borrowing again?
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03/21/21 12:01 PM
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Yep, the federal reserve does both. It expands the money supply. although as trapperkeck explained almost all of this digitally now, and then later when the government can't pay for its budget, buys treasury notes (which bear interest) to help the government cover the deficit. Other entities can buy U.S. treasury notes, but as now the federal reserve holds the most. In recent years, about 8-9% of the total federal "budget" has gone to servicing the debt. Of course, this has been ar very little percentage of interest. If interest rates would substantially increase, then other voodoo would have to be used...
"And God said, Let us make man in our image �and let them have dominion �and all the creatures that move along the ground". Genesis 1:26
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Re: Are we printing money or borrowing again?
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03/21/21 12:10 PM
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No precious metal backing of U.S. currency for a long time (since Nixon?). Maybe if it gets so bad, there will be the big reset and gold will be used again. That's what the gold bugs are hoping for...
"And God said, Let us make man in our image �and let them have dominion �and all the creatures that move along the ground". Genesis 1:26
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Re: Are we printing money or borrowing again?
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03/21/21 12:15 PM
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When the depression took hold in the late 20's it was declared that private gold holdings were illegal. It was just recently made legal again. In the 70's I think. if it happens again i expect the same scenario.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Are we printing money or borrowing again?
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03/21/21 12:29 PM
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You’ll be allowed a time me period to exchange your gold for digital fiat though.
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Re: Are we printing money or borrowing again?
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03/21/21 12:39 PM
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danny clifton- you are correct that FDR and Congress in 1933 (?) made the private ownership of gold not legit. But the U.S. dollar was still tied to gold until 1971 when Nixon went to just fiat currency. 50th anniversary of that coming up this summer...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2021/01/25/the-gold-standard-ended-50-years-ago-federal-debt-has-only-exploded-since/?sh=27c53c2a1e17#:~:text=This%20year%20marks%20the%2050th%20anniversary%20of%20the,only%20by%20comparing%20it%20to%20other%20world%20currencies.
"And God said, Let us make man in our image �and let them have dominion �and all the creatures that move along the ground". Genesis 1:26
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Re: Are we printing money or borrowing again?
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03/21/21 01:05 PM
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I see that Omar and AOC are already pushing hard for a 4th stimulus. A steady $2000/month as a matter of fact. Basic income is coming whether anybody likes it or not. Apparently the more money they give away the stronger the stock market gets.
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Re: Are we printing money or borrowing again?
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03/21/21 01:07 PM
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Does the gold at fort knox and the two oother places used as a back up to allow us to print more money, or is it a totally different asset. Our money is backed by military and oil. (Nixon)
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Re: Are we printing money or borrowing again?
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03/21/21 01:09 PM
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Maybe their running for another term and have to start buying votes
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Re: Are we printing money or borrowing again?
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danny clifton
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will 2000 a month per person cause inflation?
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Re: Are we printing money or borrowing again?
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03/21/21 01:25 PM
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Yep, the federal reserve does both. It expands the money supply. although as trapperkeck explained almost all of this digitally now, and then later when the government can't pay for its budget, buys treasury notes (which bear interest) to help the government cover the deficit. Other entities can buy U.S. treasury notes, but as now the federal reserve holds the most. In recent years, about 8-9% of the total federal "budget" has gone to servicing the debt. Of course, this has been ar very little percentage of interest. If interest rates would substantially increase, then other voodoo would have to be used... Hence interest rates will not go up. The government can't service the debt without printing or near zero rates.
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Re: Are we printing money or borrowing again?
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03/21/21 01:32 PM
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I still remember the fight against inflation in the early 80's. 22% interest slowed inflation and killed about half the family farms. I guess it was our own fault, but interest was 7% when we got on, but 22% when the train got derailed and even Willie Nelson couldn't save many.
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Re: Are we printing money or borrowing again?
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03/21/21 02:11 PM
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will 2000 a month per person cause inflation? I'm no economist but I'm sure all that $2000/mo would get spent foolishly and then invested wisely by those who end up with it.
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