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BMP Best management practices #7223540
03/22/21 12:45 PM
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Any thoughts on this subject? Are there many states getting involved in this? Do most folks just as soon not get involved in it?


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Re: BMP Best management practices [Re: rpmartin] #7223563
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Personally,I'd like to see states get involved in it.The states should have been heavily involved when it first started in late '80's.As big as this became in that time period,It disappeared from our screen as fast as it appeared.

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Re: BMP Best management practices [Re: rpmartin] #7223569
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Some states have used it to make improvement in their regs.

Re: BMP Best management practices [Re: rpmartin] #7223571
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If I remember right they didn't address drowning type sets because They deemed them to be in humane.

Once the government gets involved In your business things may not end up In your favor.


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Re: BMP Best management practices [Re: rpmartin] #7223575
03/22/21 01:12 PM
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I'd like to be left alone. I can see first hand what equipment works for me and I don't need the state telling me what is best for me.

Re: BMP Best management practices [Re: rpmartin] #7223576
03/22/21 01:14 PM
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Good information to be aware of, regardless of what you think. If a state agency is forced to implement trapping restrictions due to an ESA lawsuit/ruling, it's good to have scientific info to fall back on as far as what is the most effective and what is arbitrary.

https://furbearermanagement.com/

Re: BMP Best management practices [Re: rpmartin] #7223580
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I think the states were and are the prime movers, through the Association of Fish & Wildlife Agencies
https://www.fishwildlife.org//afwa-inspires/furbearer-management
Now as far as needing more of this, it's all been covered. Traps were tested and methods established and until we get new species there isn't any thing new to test.

Re: BMP Best management practices [Re: rpmartin] #7223581
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Crap similar to this is, listening to a few others opinions on what is best for everyone that has lead our state and several if not all others to have regulations that do nothing but appease antis and hinder trappers. It's saddled us with loop size restrictions and deer stops on all our snares, completely submerged 280's & 330's, and other states have it even worse without 220's on land, "cable restraints", no teeth on traps, etc...

No thank you!

Re: BMP Best management practices [Re: rpmartin] #7223585
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Imo the states should have been proactive on this long ago. New Mexico lost by one vote, could they have won if they would have been more proactive. I don't know maybe they were and it still didn't work?

This should be a wake up call for all of us. With this new administration they now feel like they can get anything they want. Look at all the red states turning blue.

Ya beav i agree about the government getting involved, but this stuff is coming whether we want it or not. Or we could keep fighting until we lose.
The bmp stuff ain't perfect but at least we can negotiate before we just lose it.


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Re: BMP Best management practices [Re: rpmartin] #7223592
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More regulations won't stop people from making stupid sets where they shouldn't. It won't stop people from letting their pets go where ever they want to. A compromise is when BOTH sides give a little. Us giving in a little at a time and them never budging an inch is not good for trappers no matter how you spin it.

No thank you.

Re: BMP Best management practices [Re: rpmartin] #7223597
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RpMartin I get what your saying. But it sounds like wishful thinking its like compromising on gun control. Incremental until its banned completely.

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Re: BMP Best management practices [Re: rpmartin] #7223598
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Originally Posted by rpmartin
Imo the states should have been proactive on this long ago. New Mexico lost by one vote, could they have won if they would have been more proactive. I don't know maybe they were and it still didn't work?

This should be a wake up call for all of us. With this new administration they now feel like they can get anything they want. Look at all the red
The bmp stuff ain't perfect but at least we can negotiate before we just lose it.

Agreed.There's going to be things I wouldn't want,or like,but like it or not,trapping is political and your not going to go around that.We're not going to get everything we like.For example,if it was recommended that only padded jaws or laminated jaws with a min.of 1/4" offset would be legal for coyote, and the state declared that or nothing to be legal,would you adapt and be legal?Or would you quit?Id adapt and keep trapping.


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Re: BMP Best management practices [Re: Providence Farm] #7223600
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
RpMartin I get what your saying. But it sounds like wishful thinking its like compromising on gun control. Incremental until its banned completely.


this ^^^

Re: BMP Best management practices [Re: ~ADC~] #7223606
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Originally Posted by ~ADC~
Originally Posted by Providence Farm
RpMartin I get what your saying. But it sounds like wishful thinking its like compromising on gun control. Incremental until its banned completely.


this ^^^


Why wait for the antis to restrict yourself out of business when trappers can do it to themselves easier? Most of the clubbies see restrictions as saving trapping while they may be slowly killing it.

BMP's were just a scheme to combat the EU fur ban. Neither are relevant anymore. Don't run with them like they mean anything anymore.

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Re: BMP Best management practices [Re: rpmartin] #7223623
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Almost no one likes changes especially when we don't want to. We have to live with change on an almost daily basis whether its at work, at home and especially the government. If we don't keep up you get left behind. If you refused to change with the safety rules at work where would you be? That's just one instance.


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Re: BMP Best management practices [Re: rpmartin] #7223626
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Originally Posted by rpmartin
Almost no one likes changes especially when we don't want to. We have to live with change on an almost daily basis whether its at work, at home and especially the government. If we don't keep up you get left behind. If you refused to change with the safety rules at work where would you be? That's just one instance.


Animals are the same, traps are the same, what has changed that we need to go along with? More anti trappers. I'm not willing to go along with them. Your analogy isn't comparing apples to apples. They aren't instituting new safety regulations at work on machines that been working perfectly for a hundred+ years,,, unless they are being intimidated or regulated by outside forces.

Re: BMP Best management practices [Re: rpmartin] #7223632
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BMLs shouldn't be used as points for regulatory use unless your states don't allow allie the traps that passed the tests.

If one looks at all the traps tested and passed, you see a lot of, "or similar" in the descriptions.

Re: BMP Best management practices [Re: rpmartin] #7223642
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To me BMP's are feel good thing. It is typical "scientific" research, that was flawed before it started. I use the trap that I feel works the best for my situation. I don't need anyone telling me what work in my conditions, when they don't know what they are.


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Re: BMP Best management practices [Re: rpmartin] #7223674
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I know what works good for me too, but a lot of people don't have a clue. Imo i think at minimum the trap companies should take it upon themselves to make sure they do not sell traps with sharp edges. Also i feel they should send instructions with every box of traps on the possible dangers of 4 coiling with out lamination on land trapping, water trapping is different.

Just like at work, everything is fine until someone gets hurt. Then they have to put a new guard on to prevent more injuries. Same for trapping.


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Re: BMP Best management practices [Re: rpmartin] #7223675
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I donít trust the researchers.


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